Warrior General Games

We all saw Flames' WR - all speed, little else, monster average, yardage and TDs (albeit agains questionable opposition at times and from the slot), but somewhere in that whole argument was the notion that boosting ANY stat stupidly high would have similar dominant effects.

So i decided to create a WR that would be ALL Catching - nothing else.

Well his first game was abysmal, so i modified it a touch and added in vision too.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=645661

We're now L8,

62 catching
32 vision

First game out of the D-leagues - 15 catches for 105 yards on a team that lost 44-0. The next highest WR had 2 recs.

Seems he is Mr. Move the Chains

Edit - just a note regarding the players he was up against in that match:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=92085 - L23 Corner
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=366883 - L15 FS
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=128481 - L22 Corner
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=71542 - L23 LB
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=65649 - L23 SS
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=87364 - L21 FS
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=365500 - L17 Corner
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=128925 - L22 Corner

Summary - In his 15 catches he didn't beat a player less than 7 levels above him.

I've often wondered just what Catching effects.

Obviously, catching the ball. But getting open? Running routes? Separation? A "connection" with the QB? Now I'm doubly curious.

I suspect that there's some connection with the QB - a kind of confidence that if he puts it in your area you're coming down with it.

Also if you look at most routes, nobody is covered in the first 6 yards or so, especially with corners backpedalling, no matter how slow your guy, there's a pass there early for minimal yardage.

What looks like happening to this guy is that the QBs are just throwing the ball early and he's picking up 6-8 yards every play

Awww, man. You should've made sure he was 6'3" or taller. He'd be a CRAZY possession receiver.

Originally posted by Silvertooth
Also if you look at most routes, nobody is covered in the first 6 yards or so, especially with corners backpedalling, no matter how slow your guy, there's a pass there early for minimal yardage.

What looks like happening to this guy is that the QBs are just throwing the ball early and he's picking up 6-8 yards every play

That's exactly what's happening.

Makes you wonder why it doesn't happen with more WRs then, is it purely a catching thing, somehow convinces the QB to make that throw..?

It does happen with slow wide receivers. You just usually don't see WRs that slow playing against CBs that much higher in level (and therefore, that much faster).

What I see happening a lot is that the ball will arrive at the receiver on a passing play and there will be a little hesitation/bobble thing that happens before the receiver can continue to move with the ball. This might represent a receiver having to stop to make the catch, or reach behind him, or juggling the ball as he tries to bring it in. Regardless, I often see this bobble happen with a defender closing in, followed by a deflection recorded... the defender knocks the ball out of the receiver's hands while they're attempting to secure it. I'd be curious to know if a high-catching receiver has fewer bobbles and therefore less chance to have a pass broken up by the defender.

There's another possibility as well; I've heard that the simulator sometimes gets weird results when a defender with very high speed/agility/acceleration is covering a receiver with very low speed... the defender will move to intercept the route at the wrong spot, giving the receiver a ridiculous amount of space to work with before closing back in. If that's happening, then your receiver is wide open now but will actually get less productive as you increase his mobility.

What I'm wondering after reading this, is would it actually be beneficial to your team to have a WR that is obviously very good at catching (and therefor recieves many of the passes) catching the majority of the time if he doesn't have the speed to deliver yardage?

I mean, of course it would benefit you if nobody else can get open, but what if it's between you and someone who actually does have the 70 speed/40 agility and you get it instead of him and you gain 6 yards where maybe he would have gained 15 and gotten the first down?

What I mean is: yeah, it looks good for your stats, but it looks pretty bad for your team if you're basically the only reciever with receptions and you only have 48 yards a game.. that means your team only has slightly more than 48 yards a game. lol

Well going off last game he's getting 7.5 yards a catch. Its a crappy average, but if he's thrown at twice in succession, he's moving the chains.

He's never going to get big yardage, but if he can be a reliable 7 yards when they're needed, then i don't see the problem with it.

If it's 3rd and 15 - aim at someone else.

Would seem to me if the QB passes to the WR that's 6 yards downfield on 3rd and 15, that's a product of the QB not having good vision rather than an issue with the WR. The sim likely is having the QB look 15 yards downfield first.

Originally posted by Sinyen
Would seem to me if the QB passes to the WR that's 6 yards downfield on 3rd and 15, that's a product of the QB not having good vision rather than an issue with the WR. The sim likely is having the QB look 15 yards downfield first.

Actually, it could be a downfall of having really good vision considering the cushion DB's give right now. The slower WR will be "wide open", so he'll get the pass.

That's what's happening now i think. I wonder whether it'll continue the higher levels we go. There's no reason his speed ever has to get high.

Originally posted by Silvertooth
That's what's happening now i think. I wonder whether it'll continue the higher levels we go. There's no reason his speed ever has to get high.

But maybe at some point a tackle breaker for that extra yardage each play? Apparently he's alway a target so there seem to be numerous ways you could go.

Yea that's a good idea actually, hit that before speed.