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hi guys, just want to share something for the players who are new to peewee and who may need a bit of help with some dot plans. fwiw i wouldn't consider myself an elite player but i do have a gold title and two tourney wins and i use these methods so if you do this your dots won't stink up the joint at least. they may even be good if you pick the right attributes.

obviously i am a total sicko and found the virtual player builder from a thread by RyanCane who gets full credit for this: https://glb.warriorgeneral.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=5329172

this is the link to the s100 changes vpb (you need brave/firefox and tampermonkey): Virtual Player Builder https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/468757-season-100-updated-vpb

okay, so now you've got that and you can plan your builds out. your goal is to optimize for day 38, not day 40. championship game is day 38, semi final is day 36. you gain your last level (lvl 16) on day 36. the ways i'm about to show you is for a not boosted/not ce dot as those are the only ones i make and is generally accepted as the way to play peewee these days. so if you're a rogue booster these tips aren't for you.

one final note, i'm assuming you have a general knowledge of the point caps, and basic attribute knowledge. in my example i'm going to use an elusive hb:

1
- pick your bonus SA (going with surge), assign your initial points to atty 1 and atty 2 (for the example i'm going with speed and leftover to agility), height/weight (ex shortest and lightest) and assign equipment (going speed in this example)
- hold your initial 15 for the moment we'll use them in a second
- light train atty 3 (picking vision for the example) to 36 bonus tokens.
- unlock multi training for atty 3 (vision), 4 (strength), 5 (catching) and multitrain atty 3, 4, 5, 6 (stamina). atty 6 will be in the swap slot.
- multi train 6 times to 0 training points and 72 bonus tokens.
- convert those bonus tokens to skill points at the rate of 15 tokens to 1 point
- this should give you 19 skill points, assign them to atty 1
- okay hard part is over, now we multitrain for a bit until we want to swap out atty 6 (i'm going to train stamina to 25 for this example and then swap to confidence.) depending on what you want to do i've found you can generally swap once if you take your atty 6 to 25 or twice if you take atty 6 and 7 to 20.
- once i get 15 bonus token i'm converting them to a skill point.
- for this example i'm going to take speed to 61 then agility to 61. but this is where the fun comes in, feel free to experiment with what you want. want to push speed to 68? use the vpb and see what happens.
- okay you've skill pointed speed to 61 first then agility to 61 next and converted bonus tokens the whole time and trained atty 3,4,5 the whole time, swap atty 6 to atty 7 at 25. looking good.
- at this point you should be roughly day 28/level 13 ish. again this varies but its true on this specific example. you should have about 18 skill points remaining from this point to day 36 (5 per level and you'll have 3 conversions). do whatever you want with them. i'm going to assign them to SA's for this example and that's maybe a good idea maybe not but i feel for example purposes it makes sense so you can see what it looks like. going to take surge to 6 and quick cut to 4. again, not making a commentary on the viability of SA's, just showing what's possible.
- day 38 completes the dot with our final sp (bonus token conversion) into vision (atty 3).
- final build looks like:
atty 1: speed @ 66.50 +12 eq = 78.50
atty 2: agility @ 62.50
atty 3: vision @ 38.50
atty 4: catching @ 34.75
atty 5: strength @ 33.75
atty 6: stamina @ 27.50
atty 7: confidence @ 26.75
SA 1: surge @ 6
SA 2: quick cut @ 4
BUILD SCORE @ 408.00


2
- similar enough but different enough to add some spice. going to use the same attys etc for a direct comparison
- pick your bonus SA (going with surge), assign your initial points to atty 1 and atty 2 (for the example i'm going with speed and leftover to agility), height/weight (ex shortest and lightest) and assign equipment (going speed in this example)
- hold your initial 15 for the moment we'll use them in a second
- this is the main difference: immediately use your bonus tokens to buy multi training for atty 3 (vision). multi train atty 3 and 4 (strength) TWO times until you can buy another multi training slot (atty 4). then multi train atty 3, 4, 5 (catching) TWO more times until you can unlock your full set of multi trains. then train 4 times until you get your training points down to 4.
- convert your tokens to skill points and apply to atty 1. then we follow the same basic principles as above.
- final build looks like:
atty 1: speed @ 66.50 +12 eq = 78.50
atty 2: agility @ 62.50
atty 3: vision @ 39.50
atty 4: catching @ 34.75
atty 5: strength @ 34.75
atty 6: stamina @ 27.75
atty 7: confidence @ 24.75
SA 1: surge @ 5
SA 2: quick cut @ 4
BUILD SCORE @ 405.00

For reference, the two elusive backs in the gold final this year had build scores of 406 and 405 so take that for what its worth. maybe something, maybe nothing.

so some minor difference but neither will get you killed.

and that's pretty much it! what attributes you prioritize and how high you take them are up to you, i'm not suggesting my order of attributes is correct, but that's the game, baby. Hope this helps flatten the learning curve because there are sharks in these waters haha!

I will also be happy to share my OAI and DAI and packages with anyone who wants them for as long as i am active. if you see this in two years and this post is up please reach out. just send me a lolgm invite with the appropriate permissions and i'll transfer them over to you when i get a chance then you can delete me.

disclaimer, they are far from perfect (i never ever punt no matter what and absolutely despise the kicking game) but they're geared toward peewee and bort doesn't have any of those in his presets. still, it'll get you most of the way there just don't expect anything you can't create on your own or anything revolutionary.

Hey thanks for this. I’ll read this more tomorrow. Are you leaving? Offering to share AIs and such is huge. May take you up on that.

Originally posted by R007C
hi guys, just want to share something for the players who are new to peewee and who may need a bit of help with some dot plans. fwiw i wouldn't consider myself an elite player but i do have a gold title and two tourney wins and i use these methods so if you do this your dots won't stink up the joint at least. they may even be good if you pick the right attributes.

obviously i am a total sicko and found the virtual player builder from a thread by RyanCane who gets full credit for this: https://glb.warriorgeneral.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=5329172

this is the link to the s100 changes vpb (you need brave/firefox and tampermonkey): Virtual Player Builder https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/468757-season-100-updated-vpb

okay, so now you've got that and you can plan your builds out. your goal is to optimize for day 38, not day 40. championship game is day 38, semi final is day 36. you gain your last level (lvl 16) on day 36. the ways i'm about to show you is for a not boosted/not ce dot as those are the only ones i make and is generally accepted as the way to play peewee these days. so if you're a rogue booster these tips aren't for you.

one final note, i'm assuming you have a general knowledge of the point caps, and basic attribute knowledge. in my example i'm going to use an elusive hb:

1
- pick your bonus SA (going with surge), assign your initial points to atty 1 and atty 2 (for the example i'm going with speed and leftover to agility), height/weight (ex shortest and lightest) and assign equipment (going speed in this example)
- hold your initial 15 for the moment we'll use them in a second
- light train atty 3 (picking vision for the example) to 36 bonus tokens.
- unlock multi training for atty 3 (vision), 4 (strength), 5 (catching) and multitrain atty 3, 4, 5, 6 (stamina). atty 6 will be in the swap slot.
- multi train 6 times to 0 training points and 72 bonus tokens.
- convert those bonus tokens to skill points at the rate of 15 tokens to 1 point
- this should give you 19 skill points, assign them to atty 1
- okay hard part is over, now we multitrain for a bit until we want to swap out atty 6 (i'm going to train stamina to 25 for this example and then swap to confidence.) depending on what you want to do i've found you can generally swap once if you take your atty 6 to 25 or twice if you take atty 6 and 7 to 20.
- once i get 15 bonus token i'm converting them to a skill point.
- for this example i'm going to take speed to 61 then agility to 61. but this is where the fun comes in, feel free to experiment with what you want. want to push speed to 68? use the vpb and see what happens.
- okay you've skill pointed speed to 61 first then agility to 61 next and converted bonus tokens the whole time and trained atty 3,4,5 the whole time, swap atty 6 to atty 7 at 25. looking good.
- at this point you should be roughly day 28/level 13 ish. again this varies but its true on this specific example. you should have about 18 skill points remaining from this point to day 36 (5 per level and you'll have 3 conversions). do whatever you want with them. i'm going to assign them to SA's for this example and that's maybe a good idea maybe not but i feel for example purposes it makes sense so you can see what it looks like. going to take surge to 6 and quick cut to 4. again, not making a commentary on the viability of SA's, just showing what's possible.
- day 38 completes the dot with our final sp (bonus token conversion) into vision (atty 3).
- final build looks like:
atty 1: speed @ 66.50 +12 eq = 78.50
atty 2: agility @ 62.50
atty 3: vision @ 38.50
atty 4: catching @ 34.75
atty 5: strength @ 33.75
atty 6: stamina @ 27.50
atty 7: confidence @ 26.75
SA 1: surge @ 6
SA 2: quick cut @ 4
BUILD SCORE @ 408.00


2
- similar enough but different enough to add some spice. going to use the same attys etc for a direct comparison
- pick your bonus SA (going with surge), assign your initial points to atty 1 and atty 2 (for the example i'm going with speed and leftover to agility), height/weight (ex shortest and lightest) and assign equipment (going speed in this example)
- hold your initial 15 for the moment we'll use them in a second
- this is the main difference: immediately use your bonus tokens to buy multi training for atty 3 (vision). multi train atty 3 and 4 (strength) TWO times until you can buy another multi training slot (atty 4). then multi train atty 3, 4, 5 (catching) TWO more times until you can unlock your full set of multi trains. then train 4 times until you get your training points down to 4.
- convert your tokens to skill points and apply to atty 1. then we follow the same basic principles as above.
- final build looks like:
atty 1: speed @ 66.50 +12 eq = 78.50
atty 2: agility @ 62.50
atty 3: vision @ 39.50
atty 4: catching @ 34.75
atty 5: strength @ 34.75
atty 6: stamina @ 27.75
atty 7: confidence @ 24.75
SA 1: surge @ 5
SA 2: quick cut @ 4
BUILD SCORE @ 405.00

For reference, the two elusive backs in the gold final this year had build scores of 406 and 405 so take that for what its worth. maybe something, maybe nothing.

so some minor difference but neither will get you killed.

and that's pretty much it! what attributes you prioritize and how high you take them are up to you, i'm not suggesting my order of attributes is correct, but that's the game, baby. Hope this helps flatten the learning curve because there are sharks in these waters haha!


this is good 007. nice post. sticky this so it's easy to find down the road

Originally posted by stat2883
Hey thanks for this. I’ll read this more tomorrow. Are you leaving? Offering to share AIs and such is huge. May take you up on that.

i do tend to come and go a bit but i'll be around the next season or two for sure. i don't want to see peewee die so if this helps then great. it'll get you 80% of the way there that's the thing, you'll still have to play the game for yourself. but its a good baseline. like you'll still need to do your d-plays, gameplan, build your roster etc but if you follow these building styles your dots won't be outmatched

Thanks Luxury

Originally posted by R007C
i do tend to come and go a bit but i'll be around the next season or two for sure. i don't want to see peewee die so if this helps then great. it'll get you 80% of the way there that's the thing, you'll still have to play the game for yourself. but its a good baseline. like you'll still need to do your d-plays, gameplan, build your roster etc but if you follow these building styles your dots won't be outmatched

Thanks Luxury

Great input, and thank you for sharing, R007C! I agree with Luxury, this should be made into a sticky.
I'm willing to open up my current player builds so that stat can eyeball them and see how various training techniques affect the final player build outcome.
Here is one HB: https://glb.warriorgeneral.com/game/player.pl?player_id=4903514
On "paper" he should have been a very effective player.
That leads to the next subject, which is effective tactics, something that I clearly struggle with.
In the hands of Birdman, Argonut, Luxury, or any number of others who are well versed in how to implement good tactics and gameplanning, the team I put together for Season 118 on paper should have had the potential to really be impressive.
Poor managment and tactics implementation, and poor gameplanning on my part, limited the overall effectiveness and impact of the players and therefore the success of the team.
There are some brilliant tacticians among the Gold team owners and OC/DC positions.
Ask questions, I'm sure many of them are willing to give pointers and tips.

@boss - This season I messed up on a variety of things, more so on defense but also kind of got mixed up on my offensive strategy.

Our speed backs were
Attributes
Physical Attributes
Strength: 53.5
Speed: 82.75 (+12)
Agility: 51.5
Jumping: 11.75
Stamina: 30.75
Vision: 26.75
Confidence: 19.5

Football Skills
Blocking: 6
Catching: 8
Tackling: 8
Throwing: 8
Carrying: 24.5
Kicking: 8
Punting: 8

and
HB/Returner

Physical Attributes
Strength: 11.75
Speed: 85.5 (+12)
Agility: 59.5
Jumping: 16
Stamina: 23.75
Vision: 33.5
Confidence: 24.75

Football Skills
Blocking: 6
Catching: 13.75
Tackling: 8
Throwing: 8
Carrying: 35.5
Kicking: 8
Punting: 8

There are also examples of old builds from Gerr out there in th eforums, Gerr I think was one of the best in Pee Wee. I am not sure when Luxury was playing and if they played at the same time, but Luxury seems to be the new Gerr lol.

Robbnva,
I am with ya on messing up builds. LOL
The HB I put the link to was trained one way, the other three used slightly different training. When I started, I felt I messed up big time on his build, but for some reason his overall rating was higher than the others?
Again, on paper, some of my builds "should have" been really really good.
My LB's and safeties have high overalll rating, in the 411 and up range, but due to my ineptness at tactics, were pretty "normal" in game.
I have Gerr's build guide, jkid2's build guide, and Thunder66's build guide to use as references.
What I have concluded through trial and error, is that even the best build is only gonna be effective with the proper tactics and OAI/DAI.
Didn't help my team that I made minimal if not zero changes to the DAI. LOL
I am gonna stay in touch on here even if I don't have any active players or own a team, just because I do enjoy the back and forth between all of us.
Gold Fold rocks!!!!!

All of this information is helpful, I am taking in everything and hoping for the best. Appreciate everyone, in the end we could all have the same builds and it still comes down to coordinating and tactics.

Great work 007! Excellent to share knowledge with people, the more competitive peewee is the better and more fun for everyone! Thanks for taking the time to put that together!

Originally posted by stat2883
All of this information is helpful, I am taking in everything and hoping for the best. Appreciate everyone, in the end we could all have the same builds and it still comes down to coordinating and tactics.

I think all the top teams builds are very close, game planning is king!

@R007C - your first method, you don' train Att2 at all?

Found this on my laptop.
Gerr was one of the most respected owners in Gold for quite a while. This post is old, dated in 2010, but it's an excellent insight into the mindset of someone who was a force, especially on defense, back when the Gold League was known for being a killer.

Jan 22, 2010 19:34:25
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Many Pee-Wee teams struggle with defense, especially Copper teams and 1st season Silver teams. This guide will not build you a championship level defense, but will give you the skills needed, along with some work on your part, to have a good defense in Pee-Wee and allow you to compete with most Pee-Wee teams.

Presumptions:
A good defense starts with making some logical presumptions. You can’t call a defense that will counter every possible play, but if you make some logical presumptions on how the simulator works in Pee-Wee, you can focus your defense to counters most of the situations you will encounter. Basically, play the odds. For example, odds are that someone will pass on 3rd & long and will run on 3rd & inches. These educated guesses, ie presumptions, will help you focus your defensive calls in the right direction most of the time.

1st presumption is that in Pee-Wee, rushing is KING! Everyone has heard the saying that offense wins games but defense wins championships. Well in Pee-Wee, passing might win some games, but rushing can win a championship. What I am trying to say is that your good Pee-Wee teams usually rush the ball first and pass second. Thus you need to setup your defense to stop the run first. But don’t totally ignore passing either.

2nd presumption is that most Pee-Wee teams us their powerback to run inside and their speedback to run outside. This mainly comes out of the fact that in Pee-Wee, your builds are very one sided and most people pump most of their skill points(SP) into their core skills first, ie speed on a speedback and strength on a power back. That means your powerbacks are generally slow while your speedbacks can’t break a tackle. Use the tagging feature to setup your defense to best stop this pattern. Just remember things will change as you get deeper into the season and the builds start to mature.

3rd presumption is that most Pee-Wee teams don’t run or pass to their FB very often. This basically means that there are fewer offensive plays you need to setup your defense to counter, and probably could get away with not covering the FB on passing plays or just using a zone to cover him.

4th presumption is that most Pee-Wee QB’s are not good enough to throw a long ball and catch the WR in stride for a long TD. This means you don’t have to protect against a deep pass like you do against a short to medium level pass. Thus you can have more people in or near the box to help stop the run.

5th presumption is key for those who want to stop a rushing QB. Rushing QB’s almost never pass, so if you use the tagging system correctly, you can call a defense designed to stop the run whenever a rushing QB is in when passing won’t be a threat.

The 6th and last presumption and probably the most important one is that OC’s become very predictable and don’t change their offense that much on a per game basis. Thus use the scouting tool and see what plays they call the most often from each formation and setup your defense to counter those. This is most important in the playoffs as teams generally don’t want to try new things here, they will usually stick with what has worked best, making it easier to setup your defense. Also look to see how often they run vs. pass from each formation and that can help you pick which defense to choose as well.


Custom Defensive Play and D-AI Tips:

1st tip I would suggest is that every DC look at your offensive playbook and make a spreadsheet of all possible running plays out of each formation. You generally want to make your defense formation specific, meaning you call a specific defense based on the formation the offense lines up in. Knowing which possible runs come out of each formation will allow you to best place your defensive players. For example, many might not realize that there are no QB or FB runs out of the Weak-I and only 5 total HB runs. This makes defending a run out of the Weak-I a lot easier.

2nd tip is to create your own custom defenses. CPU defenses suck! You start by creating your core anti-run defense, which means a Cover-0 or Cover-1 with your SS/FF set to each side to stop outside runs. While it’s best to create one custom play per offensive formation, you could start with creating one based on the number of WR’s in a set, so one for 2WR, one for 3WR and one for 5WR. If you are new to creating custom defenses, you might want to do this first and then later expand to formation specific defenses. Once you have your core anti-run defenses created, create a copy of your core plays then switch them to a more balanced defense that defends both the pass and the run, usually a Cover-2. Just make sure that your Cover-2 defense is still decent at stopping the run, which means set your FS/SS to wide/outside zones so they are still in the area to stop an outside run by the HB or FB, but might not stop them in the backfield like the Cover-0 often will.

3rd tip is to use your FS/SS to stop the outside runs, including QB rollouts. The most popular place to put your FS/SS is just inside the outermost CB on a blitz. If you place them too far inside, the lead blocker is likely to pick them up. If you put them too far out, the WR has a chance of blocking both the CB and FS/SS. I have yet to find the perfect position and play with it constantly.

4th tip is to use the tagging feature on rushing QB’s so you only call a Cover-0 defense as most rushing QB’s can’t or won’t pass. Reference presumption #5.

5th tip is to create a couple pure passing defenses to be used when you are likely to see a pass, like 3rd & 12+. Even if you give up a 6 yard run on these plays, you will leave the other team with a long 4th down.

6th tip is zones don’t work well as a pure coverage system in Pee-Wee. A strong armed QB can get the ball to a WR/TE before a defender can get to them. Use man coverage on the WR’s and TE and then use the FS/SS to provide mid-deep zone coverage to help in pass coverage when that’s what you want.

7th tip is to use the D-AI to call certain defenses in certain circumstances. You don’t want to call a Cover-2 when it’s 4th & 1 or a Cover-0 when it’s 3rd & 10. Just remember that teams will look to run the ball first, so don’t always follow the logic the NFL would use.

8th tip is that it’s not good to line your LB’s up close to the Line of Scrimmage(LoS), but rather you should line them up a couple yards deep. What this does it allows the OL and lead blockers to engage the DL, and as soon as the rusher starts to get by them, your LB tackles them after only a 1-3 yard gain. I have seen many rushers go the distance because teams have lined up their LB’s too close to the LoS and were blocked there, thus allowing the rusher to get by them. The build of your LB(Speed vs Strength) along with your tactic settings(Rush vs Pass focus) as well as defensive assignment(Blitz vs HB/FB coverage) all make a difference on how fast your LB hits that LoS, so play with those settings until you find what works best for your team.


Player build and staffing tips:

1st tip is though the type of base defense you use is up to you, I would suggest using either a 4-3 or 3-4 as the base for all 2WR sets, the Nickel for your 3WR sets, and the Quarter for 5WR sets. This gives you a FS and SS and the correct number of CB’s for every defense.

2nd tip is to staff your defense with the right players. If you choose a defense with 3 DL, meaning 1 DT and 2 DE, those DE’s need to be built more like DT’s as they will usually face Guards where DE’s in a 4 DL defense will usually face Tackles. A 3 DL defense will usually require more LB’s than a 4 DL defense, so make sure to pick the right number and build of players.

3rd tip is that on the Defensive line, STRENGTH is KING! I see way too many DE’s and even some DT’s built will all speed and agility and have little to no strength. Ya they might get a couple extra sacks during the season, but they will get their butts pancaked a lot, which really hurts your team. Personally, I think 2nd cap strength on all DT’s and 1st cap strength on all DE’s is an absolute min!

4th tip is that Speed is King on all other defensive positions. A lot of people like to build these high strength MLB’s or similar positions that can tackle anything that comes their way. Well if you can’t catch the ball carrier, you can’t make a play, so your high strength MLB is useless. I always 1st cap speed on all my LB’s, CB’s, and SS/FS and all equipment goes into speed as well. After speed is 1st capped, you can build your player to suit your needs, but get that speed to the 1st cap ASAP!

5th tip is that agility is a very under-rated skill. I see a lot of people create defensive players with 2nd-3rd cap speed, but very little agility. Well agility is your ability to make cuts and not slow down to a crawl when you do, a vital skill for CB’s as they need to make quick adjustments to stay with the WR they are covering. For Pee-Wee, a CB with 1st cap speed and agility will usually out perform a CB with 2nd cap speed and mid-20’s in agility. Same goes for LB’s trying to catch a quick and agile speedback.

6th tip is to make sure to have enough tackling on every defensive player. I would recommend a minimum of 20 on all defensive linemen and 15 on all other defensive players. With your tackling style set to Wrap-Up, this is usually enough for 99% of situations.

7th tip is that stamina is a very under-rated skill. Remember that as you get tired, ALL of your skills reduce by a %. An extra 5-10 points in stamina can stop you from losing 20+ points on your skills because you get tired quickly. I generally recommend a minimum stamina of 20 on all dedicated starters and 15 on all backup’s or on those players that rotate evenly.


Defensive Tactics Tips:

1st tip is to stop the FS/SS from blitzing in too quickly and thus get picked up by a lead blocker is to set their defensive play focus to Pass. They will pause for a second on all runs, allowing the rusher to come towards them and usually the rusher will outrun their blockers before they get to the FS/SS. This also helps as you will also use your FS/SS in pass coverage a lot.

2nd tip is that every defensive player should set their tackling style to Wrap-Up, no exceptions! Some people think that with a high strength, they can force fumbles, but the number of missed tackles they will have will far outweigh the few forced fumbles they might cause.

3rd tip is all defensive players should set their man coverage distance to -50 to -75. Reason for this is the tighter you play the person you are covering, the less of a chance they do a quick stop for a pass and your cushion allows for an uncontested reception. Remember the presumption that Pee-Wee QB’s are generally not good or strong enough to lead a receiver on a deep pass? Well that means it’s highly unlikely you will get beat deep if the receiver does get a step or two lead on you. Reason for -50 to -75 instead of -100 is that -100 might cause your defender to start towards the receiver right at the ball snap, and thus they have to change direction quickly and this sometimes allows a fast receiver to blow by them. Play with the settings and pick the one you like best.


General Tips:

1st tip is to watch how your defense performs after every game and make frequent adjustments/tweaks to make it better. Also make sure to go through your depth chart a couple times each season and switch people around as needed. Players frequently take a good starting build and go off on some weird tangent, or players are not building to your specs, so you have to find those people and move them into more of a backup role quickly.

2nd tip is once you are done with your defense, take a look at it from the perspective of an OC and look for gaps that an OC might try to take advantage of. This will help you know where your weaknesses are, and every defense has them, but to make sure they are at a spot that isn’t used very often.


If you use this guide as a beginning step towards building your own defense, it will generally give you a pretty good defense. Your better teams know most of what I have said and do try to counter some of the things I have suggested, so this guide won’t work against all teams, but should work well enough against most teams. Just make sure that once you implement your defense, you watch how it performs after every game and tweak it frequently.

Good luck and enjoy the shut-outs!
Edited by Gerr on Jan 22, 2010 19:35:45

Originally posted by stat2883
@R007C - your first method, you don' train Att2 at all?

correct, atty 1 and atty 2 would be skill points only.