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I have a strength based DE with speed, is bull rusher worth adding ? Thx

Originally posted by nevermind1991
I have a strength based DE with speed, is bull rusher worth adding ? Thx

this VA is always worth adding

This is like the best VA in the game since it boosts your post-equipment/VA strength number, and breaking blocks is all you really care about as a d-lineman.

I won't build a D-lineman without it.

Thanks for the replies !

I have to say...I am not as certain as the rest of the crowd.

I have wondered for a long time what the description really implies...

"For each level of Bull Rusher, strength has 1% more of an effect on break block rolls vs rushing plays, and 0.5% more of an effect on break block rolls vs passing plays."

Does that mean that only the defender's strength gets a boost in a break block roll? Or does it mean that the strength of both the blocker and the defender play a bigger role in the hold block/break block roll? I don't know. Should I put this on my pass rushing D-Linemen? I don't. Do I put it on my Run Stuffer D-Linemen? Yes, but they all have plenty of strength.

http://glb.warriorgeneral.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=4909235&page=2#45513643

According to Q&A, the equation changes. So on a Tech Man build, in theory, it'd be detrimental. I guess the answer would be as long as you have more Strength than anything else.

Originally posted by Dave Mr Majors
I have to say...I am not as certain as the rest of the crowd.

I have wondered for a long time what the description really implies...

"For each level of Bull Rusher, strength has 1% more of an effect on break block rolls vs rushing plays, and 0.5% more of an effect on break block rolls vs passing plays."

Does that mean that only the defender's strength gets a boost in a break block roll? Or does it mean that the strength of both the blocker and the defender play a bigger role in the hold block/break block roll? I don't know. Should I put this on my pass rushing D-Linemen? I don't. Do I put it on my Run Stuffer D-Linemen? Yes, but they all have plenty of strength.

TJ is kinda on the right track mostly. It gives you a bonus to your 'Break Block' attempts so if your dot is weak and doesn't have any (or very little) BB gear on, then it's not an effective VA. However, most people build pretty strong O-linemen and most people try to get at LEAST 2 BB AEQ gear (if not 3)... so if you're most people then this is a VA you want. It isn't for every single build, no. If you've built a Pass Rush DE that only has 100 total strength (even with gear on), then maybe... less than 100... probably not. And if you don't have any (or have very little) BB AEQ gear then it's also not something I'd go with as there are some other VA's out there for your kind of 'specialty dot' build.

Originally posted by TJ Spikes
http://glb.warriorgeneral.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=4909235&page=2#45513643

According to Q&A, the equation changes. So on a Tech Man build, in theory, it'd be detrimental. I guess the answer would be as long as you have more Strength than anything else.



Thanks for the link TJ.

Originally posted by TJ Spikes
http://glb.warriorgeneral.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=4909235&page=2#45513643

According to Q&A, the equation changes. So on a Tech Man build, in theory, it'd be detrimental. I guess the answer would be as long as you have more Strength than anything else.



Not that I should be considered a source, but I know for a fact bort gas said in the past it boosts your str portion while not decreasing the weight of anything else. I have no link of course. #bortspeak

Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
Not that I should be considered a source, but I know for a fact bort gas said in the past it boosts your str portion while not decreasing the weight of anything else. I have no link of course. #bortspeak

This is what I remember as well.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=3541391&page=1#31017990

Found that while looking for something else

Originally posted by TJ Spikes
http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=3541391&page=1#31017990

Found that while looking for something else

Good find.

Now not sure what to do with my DT. He is not at plateau yet, so I may drop bull rusher at 240days old to try a season without it. He will finish at 105 agility and 146 strength. Strength is higher than agility of course, but he won't be stronger than the L-lineman he is facing. He was built to break blocks with agility/tech man. Now seeing that quote, wondering Bull Rusher is detrimental to his build as I want agility to be weighted higher in the break block roll.

Bear in mind that Bull Rusher is primarily helpful with run D, while Tech Man is exclusively for pass D.