Looking at most of the WL dots they have 10-11 in 3-4 SAs versus 20+ in one. Is it just diminished returns past 11 or is there virtually no benefit?
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It has been said that anything past 12 in a sa you loose to much of its value for what you put into it. I believe that might of even came from Borts mouth one time.
Roctronic
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Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
I think Bort said something along the lines of past 12-13 the effects are very small.
Though I am tempted to make a 174 spd HB with 39 quick cut. Sounds AWESOME!
haha that would be ridiculous!
I am going to give a ridiculous number a shot. Everything else has been done in this game
I think Bort said something along the lines of past 12-13 the effects are very small.
Though I am tempted to make a 174 spd HB with 39 quick cut. Sounds AWESOME!
haha that would be ridiculous!
I am going to give a ridiculous number a shot. Everything else has been done in this game
MileHighShoes
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Originally posted by Roctronic
I am going to give a ridiculous number a shot. Everything else has been done in this game
This is the only way to play IMO.
I am going to give a ridiculous number a shot. Everything else has been done in this game
This is the only way to play IMO.
Originally posted by Roctronic
haha that would be ridiculous!
I am going to give a ridiculous number a shot. Everything else has been done in this game
It's more like this, dude. Just as when you build you dots... once your skill reaches a certain number, the cost in SA's to push it higher reaches a point where you simply don't get the benefit of the cost of effort. Sure... a Speed of 199 will always be much more awesome than a Speed of 175. But a dot with a speed of 199 will have virtually no other abilities at all, meaning it can't turn worth a crap, drops the ball when breathed on, and can only play in 1/8th of the game because it has no stamina, strength, agility, carrying, catching... anything. There's just a point when it doesn't work anymore.
That said, I WOULD do some serious math and work with the VPB to see just how high you could take speed without putting a single point into any other skill. It would be cool to know that.
haha that would be ridiculous!
I am going to give a ridiculous number a shot. Everything else has been done in this game
It's more like this, dude. Just as when you build you dots... once your skill reaches a certain number, the cost in SA's to push it higher reaches a point where you simply don't get the benefit of the cost of effort. Sure... a Speed of 199 will always be much more awesome than a Speed of 175. But a dot with a speed of 199 will have virtually no other abilities at all, meaning it can't turn worth a crap, drops the ball when breathed on, and can only play in 1/8th of the game because it has no stamina, strength, agility, carrying, catching... anything. There's just a point when it doesn't work anymore.
That said, I WOULD do some serious math and work with the VPB to see just how high you could take speed without putting a single point into any other skill. It would be cool to know that.
MileHighShoes
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Originally posted by Theo Wizzago
That said, I WOULD do some serious math and work with the VPB to see just how high you could take speed without putting a single point into any other skill. It would be cool to know that.
In the VPB private forum a couple years ago we played a game to see who could reach the highest attribute level. This wasn't the winner, but was the highest 4-major speed posted. These are all 0 AEQ dots just for reference, we were just trying to see how high we could get a single attribute while ignoring everything else. 131.17 was the highest 3 major attribute achieved, but 132 was possible, however someone blew up the game by getting a pre-archetype center to 138 strength.
Originally posted by Bane
You where right, yours was easy to beat
Player Build
Position: hb_elusive_back
Season: 8
Day: 2
Boosts: 30
Level: 79
XP: 25
VA XP: 0
VA: 69
Bonus Tokens: 3
Training Points: 0
SP: 0
Training Status:
strength : 0%
speed : 22%
agility : 0%
jumping : 0%
stamina : 0%
vision : 0%
confidence : 0%
blocking : 0%
throwing : 0%
catching : 0%
carrying : 0%
tackling : 0%
kicking : 0%
punting : 0%
Attributes:
strength : 20.26
speed : 126.06
agility : 48.06
jumping : 8
stamina : 54.26
vision : 48.06
confidence : 23.26
blocking : 6
throwing : 8
catching : 22.26
carrying : 48.06
tackling : 8
kicking : 8
punting : 8
Top SA Tree: | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
Bottom SA Tree: | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
Additional SA Tree: | 0 | 28 | 10 | 5 | 0 |
That said, I WOULD do some serious math and work with the VPB to see just how high you could take speed without putting a single point into any other skill. It would be cool to know that.
In the VPB private forum a couple years ago we played a game to see who could reach the highest attribute level. This wasn't the winner, but was the highest 4-major speed posted. These are all 0 AEQ dots just for reference, we were just trying to see how high we could get a single attribute while ignoring everything else. 131.17 was the highest 3 major attribute achieved, but 132 was possible, however someone blew up the game by getting a pre-archetype center to 138 strength.
Originally posted by Bane
You where right, yours was easy to beat
Player Build
Position: hb_elusive_back
Season: 8
Day: 2
Boosts: 30
Level: 79
XP: 25
VA XP: 0
VA: 69
Bonus Tokens: 3
Training Points: 0
SP: 0
Training Status:
strength : 0%
speed : 22%
agility : 0%
jumping : 0%
stamina : 0%
vision : 0%
confidence : 0%
blocking : 0%
throwing : 0%
catching : 0%
carrying : 0%
tackling : 0%
kicking : 0%
punting : 0%
Attributes:
strength : 20.26
speed : 126.06
agility : 48.06
jumping : 8
stamina : 54.26
vision : 48.06
confidence : 23.26
blocking : 6
throwing : 8
catching : 22.26
carrying : 48.06
tackling : 8
kicking : 8
punting : 8
Top SA Tree: | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
Bottom SA Tree: | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
Additional SA Tree: | 0 | 28 | 10 | 5 | 0 |
WiSeIVIaN
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Imho 0AEQ test builds are actually slower than 4AEQ test builds, since 126 + 46 (equipment without any AE) = 172. I had a HB faster than 172 so I'm 0% impressed with that.
Also, since max training gains over 100 is 2% which can be had with 4x multi, intense, or normal, means when you are training an attribute over 100, normal training is 100% absolutely optimal. As such it's not that hard to get 4AE since you are normal training almost your whole career. (4x multi 5x enhance speed gives only 0.5% speed per day, while normal gives 2% speed per day, meaning normal gaining gets far more speed and BTs fyi).
I did a test build to like 178 strength. It was so god awful, words cannot even describe. Since like 24 SPs is 5 levels of SPs, you are taking like 25+ levels of SP's (125 SPs) just to get that extra 4 points. I'm not saying 174 is optimal as an argument can be made for less, but going over that is so incredibly horrible on 4-major dot it makes them useless.
Also, since max training gains over 100 is 2% which can be had with 4x multi, intense, or normal, means when you are training an attribute over 100, normal training is 100% absolutely optimal. As such it's not that hard to get 4AE since you are normal training almost your whole career. (4x multi 5x enhance speed gives only 0.5% speed per day, while normal gives 2% speed per day, meaning normal gaining gets far more speed and BTs fyi).
I did a test build to like 178 strength. It was so god awful, words cannot even describe. Since like 24 SPs is 5 levels of SPs, you are taking like 25+ levels of SP's (125 SPs) just to get that extra 4 points. I'm not saying 174 is optimal as an argument can be made for less, but going over that is so incredibly horrible on 4-major dot it makes them useless.
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Yeah that build definitely wasn't posted as inspiration or anything, and we were(or at least I was) trading all BT's for SP's since we weren't counting EQ at all as it was just a VPB thought experiment. Looking back at the actual dates on that thread it was nearly 4 years old, back when we were still stumbling through archetypes and multi-training, and the accelerated player building.
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