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Derekross
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Does Hurdle fire on the play when activated, or does it appear in the PBP? I'm curious to if it is a worthy SA. I see if helps to avoid diving tackles, and I noticed alot of diving tackle attempts at faster backs.

Is it a worthy SA?
 
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If you have the jumping to go with it, it's absolutely worth while
 
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Originally posted by RyanCane26
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If you have the jumping to go with it, it's absolutely worth while


 
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Only seems to be for Power Backs (HB, FB, QB) though. I haven't seen it be very successful for Elusives, WR's, TE's, or Scats. True break tackle artists only.
 
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Originally posted by bhall43
(HB, FB, QB) though. I haven't seen it be very successful for Elusives, WR's, TE's, or Scats. True break tackle artists only.


Was thinking of it for a return man/elusive back because I see alot with elusive backs, they seem to get tripped up by diving tackles alot.
 
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Been using my Hurdle FB as our returner this season and I can't seem to remember once where hes hurdled thus far on a return.
Edited by bhall43 on Nov 30, 2013 18:49:41
 
Pwned
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Get jumping up and pump it. It works great.

Recently took Hurdle to 8 on a RB with 35 jumping and it started firing 3-5 times a game on 12 carries.
 
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Originally posted by Pwned
Get jumping up and pump it. It works great.

Recently took Hurdle to 8 on a RB with 35 jumping and it started firing 3-5 times a game on 12 carries.


^This. My HB also has 8 Hurdle and a lil more jumping (39) and it works great. I'll finish the build with 10 Hurdle and 61 jmp.

Problem is, as bhall said, that it's an awesome SA for PHB but it isn't the same for elusive ones.
 
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CB returner with 62 jmp and 85 carrying +18% brktkl and 10 hurdle.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=4319333

I see it fire on at least 25% of his returns.
 
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Hurdle lives and dies by the diving tackle. Ehb against a poor tackle team will hurdle and return its also a coaches weapon not just pwhb tool
 
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It's a worthless SA.

You're better off just pumping jumping with the points you'd use from the hurdle SA.
The only reason people see it fire a lot on their PHB is because PHB's break a lot of tackles already, and are breaking the tackles naturally with their strength and carrying rolls already. Just because you see it fire and it's in the pbp, doesn't mean that the tackle was broken because of hurdle, it only means the SA fired.

You'd think, if the SA is entirely dependent on jumping, that Elusive's with a similar or higher investment in hurdle and jumping would see a similar or higher increase in broken tackles from hurdle. But instead it's the other way around, it doesn't provide much of a boost at all to break tackles and dots who already break tackles see it fire more, because lol, those dots break more tackles already.

I mean look at Spin. You can see it actually increasing broken tackles on any dot who gets a sizable investment in spin, and agility. To the point that even some elusives with lowish strength (less than 70) can still use it and break a good bit more tackles than they would without the SA. You can actually see the SA impacting performance. Hurdle is not an SA that impacts performance in anyway, and a lot of people are blinded by the pbp too much to look at changes in performance. Statistically, I've seen none.

The dot linked above was my hurdle experiment, he was created on the day archetypes were rolled out and was built entirely to test the Hurdle SA. And IMO, that SA failed big time IMO. I saw a much larger increase in his ability to break diving tackles simply from capping jumping (which was done above 70 before I capped strength). Going from 2 Hurdle to 10 Hurdle saw no marked increase in broken tackles, the only thing I saw was hurdle appearing the pbp more, and I'd be more than willing to bet that the same thing happens to these Power Backs.

It's a complete waste of SP's.
 
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Originally posted by MileHighShoes
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2028783
Just because you see it fire and it's in the pbp, doesn't mean that the tackle was broken because of hurdle, it only means the SA fired.



Hmmm, and yet, from what I see in replays, when it fires, it DOES make the first guy miss the first attempt at tackle (yes, he can still make tackle, but at a different point on field) - which means, statistically, it IS viable.
 
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Originally posted by MileHighShoes
Just because you see it fire and it's in the pbp, doesn't mean that the tackle was broken because of hurdle, it only means the SA fired.


You could say that for every break tackle SA.
 
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Originally posted by bhall43
You could say that for every break tackle SA.


Are you disagreeing with the point of his post?
 
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ya lost me MHS
 
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