Obviously the # of points you have in that SA and the confidence of the opposing player, but my question is are there other factors in play? If so, what are they?
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Originally posted by liamm1986
What effect does confidence have for a player WITH morale reducing SA's? Will a player with high confidence have a better chance of the SA firing or will higher confidence increase morale reduction?Originally posted by Bort
None; the morale reducers work on the SA's level.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=3836639
What effect does confidence have for a player WITH morale reducing SA's? Will a player with high confidence have a better chance of the SA firing or will higher confidence increase morale reduction?Originally posted by Bort
None; the morale reducers work on the SA's level.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=3836639
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Originally posted by InRomoWeTrust
http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=3836639
thanks. Is there are word on anything else factoring in? Reason I ask is I have an Oline at low level with low confidence, but decent atts, playing in a NB/NC league and they've got large amounts of points in morale reducers because I wanted to test the effects, and they're virtually nil. I made the entire OL and the TEs. The OL have 6 in aura, 5 in pummel, and 4 in hands, and yet I have yet to see a single indication of morale loss on any of the teams that are equal level that we've played. The TEs have 7 Aura 4 Pummel and 6 Aura 5 Pummel. Also, they both have 2 in hands. Yet I see almost nothing to lead me to believe that they're having much, if any effect on the DL. I would think that have 6+ aura against a DL the entire game, especially if winning, would have some sort of effect on the DL.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=3836639
thanks. Is there are word on anything else factoring in? Reason I ask is I have an Oline at low level with low confidence, but decent atts, playing in a NB/NC league and they've got large amounts of points in morale reducers because I wanted to test the effects, and they're virtually nil. I made the entire OL and the TEs. The OL have 6 in aura, 5 in pummel, and 4 in hands, and yet I have yet to see a single indication of morale loss on any of the teams that are equal level that we've played. The TEs have 7 Aura 4 Pummel and 6 Aura 5 Pummel. Also, they both have 2 in hands. Yet I see almost nothing to lead me to believe that they're having much, if any effect on the DL. I would think that have 6+ aura against a DL the entire game, especially if winning, would have some sort of effect on the DL.
The quote above tells you it's just the SA level of the morale SA.
I think the issue you're running into is that a) morale reducing SAs are relatively mediocre, especially at low values and b) low level dots have their energy wiped anyways. By end game, it's a battle of tactics more so than dot ability because everyone will be a slug regardless.
I think the issue you're running into is that a) morale reducing SAs are relatively mediocre, especially at low values and b) low level dots have their energy wiped anyways. By end game, it's a battle of tactics more so than dot ability because everyone will be a slug regardless.
Edited by InRomoWeTrust on Jun 28, 2013 08:51:09
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Originally posted by InRomoWeTrust
The quote above tells you it's just the SA level of the morale SA.
I think the issue you're running into is that a) morale reducing SAs are relatively mediocre, especially at low values and b) low level dots have their energy wiped anyways. By end game, it's a battle of tactics more so than dot ability because everyone will be a slug regardless.
Low values? What's considered low? Also, isn't having lower energy supposed to make your morale drain more quickly? I guess I can just chalk it up to morale reducing SAs being complete crap, but I figured that a concerted effort to concentrate them might make them function better.
The quote above tells you it's just the SA level of the morale SA.
I think the issue you're running into is that a) morale reducing SAs are relatively mediocre, especially at low values and b) low level dots have their energy wiped anyways. By end game, it's a battle of tactics more so than dot ability because everyone will be a slug regardless.
Low values? What's considered low? Also, isn't having lower energy supposed to make your morale drain more quickly? I guess I can just chalk it up to morale reducing SAs being complete crap, but I figured that a concerted effort to concentrate them might make them function better.
1. If your confidence is 8-15, it doesn't really matter how low your energy is. A -50% penalty to your attributes isn't going to have a tangible effect on your morale-reduction.
2. There have been some recent WL teams who utilized team efforts for morale-reduction (w/ empirical evidence of reduction). My point was that having things like 4 Pummel isn't going to do much, if anything at all. Aura works, it's not a broken SA.
2. There have been some recent WL teams who utilized team efforts for morale-reduction (w/ empirical evidence of reduction). My point was that having things like 4 Pummel isn't going to do much, if anything at all. Aura works, it's not a broken SA.
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Originally posted by SikoraP13 DTD
Low values? What's considered low? .
I agree based on Romo's reasoning that the morale reductions based on a % of your opponents already low attributes won't do much
Thant being said, IMO anything less than 8 in a morale reducing SA isn't going to net much of a noticable effect.
Low values? What's considered low? .
I agree based on Romo's reasoning that the morale reductions based on a % of your opponents already low attributes won't do much
Thant being said, IMO anything less than 8 in a morale reducing SA isn't going to net much of a noticable effect.
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Originally posted by InRomoWeTrust
1. If your confidence is 8-15, it doesn't really matter how low your energy is. A -50% penalty to your attributes isn't going to have a tangible effect on your morale-reduction.
2. There have been some recent WL teams who utilized team efforts for morale-reduction (w/ empirical evidence of reduction). My point was that having things like 4 Pummel isn't going to do much, if anything at all. Aura works, it's not a broken SA.
Which WL teams? I'm just curious about their evidence and potentially attempting to replicate it.
1. If your confidence is 8-15, it doesn't really matter how low your energy is. A -50% penalty to your attributes isn't going to have a tangible effect on your morale-reduction.
2. There have been some recent WL teams who utilized team efforts for morale-reduction (w/ empirical evidence of reduction). My point was that having things like 4 Pummel isn't going to do much, if anything at all. Aura works, it's not a broken SA.
Which WL teams? I'm just curious about their evidence and potentially attempting to replicate it.
As one example, snakes22 (mastermind of Asau Golden Eagles, two time WL champs) has been a big public proponent of Aura on o-line dots.
For some empirical evidence without giving away builds: http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2374939&pbp_id=5851375
The 3 d-linemen in this replay (end of the Asau/Republic of Benin game this season) have morale of 50, 54, and 66.
For some empirical evidence without giving away builds: http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2374939&pbp_id=5851375
The 3 d-linemen in this replay (end of the Asau/Republic of Benin game this season) have morale of 50, 54, and 66.
Edited by InRomoWeTrust on Jun 28, 2013 10:23:42
Originally posted by InRomoWeTrust
As one example, snakes22 (mastermind of Asau Golden Eagles, two time WL champs) has been a big public proponent of Aura on o-line dots.
For some empirical evidence without giving away builds: http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2374939&pbp_id=5851375
The 3 d-linemen in this replay (end of the Asau/Republic of Benin game this season) have morale of 50, 54, and 66.
Yep, and we won that game too.
As one example, snakes22 (mastermind of Asau Golden Eagles, two time WL champs) has been a big public proponent of Aura on o-line dots.
For some empirical evidence without giving away builds: http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2374939&pbp_id=5851375
The 3 d-linemen in this replay (end of the Asau/Republic of Benin game this season) have morale of 50, 54, and 66.
Yep, and we won that game too.
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Originally posted by InRomoWeTrust
As one example, snakes22 (mastermind of Asau Golden Eagles, two time WL champs) has been a big public proponent of Aura on o-line dots.
For some empirical evidence without giving away builds: http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2374939&pbp_id=5851375
The 3 d-linemen in this replay (end of the Asau/Republic of Benin game this season) have morale of 50, 54, and 66.
At what point do the sad faces begin to kick in? I can't remember when it started.
As one example, snakes22 (mastermind of Asau Golden Eagles, two time WL champs) has been a big public proponent of Aura on o-line dots.
For some empirical evidence without giving away builds: http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2374939&pbp_id=5851375
The 3 d-linemen in this replay (end of the Asau/Republic of Benin game this season) have morale of 50, 54, and 66.
At what point do the sad faces begin to kick in? I can't remember when it started.
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Originally posted by InRomoWeTrust
Sad faces start at 30 morale IIRC.
Oh, wow...alright, that would explain why those weren't popping up then. It definitely warrants a closer look.
Sad faces start at 30 morale IIRC.
Oh, wow...alright, that would explain why those weren't popping up then. It definitely warrants a closer look.
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Originally posted by SikoraP13 DTD
thanks. Is there are word on anything else factoring in? Reason I ask is I have an Oline at low level with low confidence, but decent atts, playing in a NB/NC league and they've got large amounts of points in morale reducers because I wanted to test the effects, and they're virtually nil. I made the entire OL and the TEs. The OL have 6 in aura, 5 in pummel, and 4 in hands, and yet I have yet to see a single indication of morale loss on any of the teams that are equal level that we've played. The TEs have 7 Aura 4 Pummel and 6 Aura 5 Pummel. Also, they both have 2 in hands. Yet I see almost nothing to lead me to believe that they're having much, if any effect on the DL. I would think that have 6+ aura against a DL the entire game, especially if winning, would have some sort of effect on the DL.
Just be concsious that if the D make a stop or cause a revcake their morale will replenish. See if you can get GM access on a team you play against just to see the morale consequences.
I know that Aura has a maximum of 2-3 points of morale loss per play from my own experiments (I had players with over 20 in AoI) and even against players with 20-40 confidence it really had very little effect.
You won't "see" morale loss unless the other team's morale is below (30?) to get the yellow face and (15?) to get the blue face. Considering the morale replenishment at half and the effect of wining individual battles on restoring morale, it takes a pretty big blowout to get to "see" the effects.
thanks. Is there are word on anything else factoring in? Reason I ask is I have an Oline at low level with low confidence, but decent atts, playing in a NB/NC league and they've got large amounts of points in morale reducers because I wanted to test the effects, and they're virtually nil. I made the entire OL and the TEs. The OL have 6 in aura, 5 in pummel, and 4 in hands, and yet I have yet to see a single indication of morale loss on any of the teams that are equal level that we've played. The TEs have 7 Aura 4 Pummel and 6 Aura 5 Pummel. Also, they both have 2 in hands. Yet I see almost nothing to lead me to believe that they're having much, if any effect on the DL. I would think that have 6+ aura against a DL the entire game, especially if winning, would have some sort of effect on the DL.
Just be concsious that if the D make a stop or cause a revcake their morale will replenish. See if you can get GM access on a team you play against just to see the morale consequences.
I know that Aura has a maximum of 2-3 points of morale loss per play from my own experiments (I had players with over 20 in AoI) and even against players with 20-40 confidence it really had very little effect.
You won't "see" morale loss unless the other team's morale is below (30?) to get the yellow face and (15?) to get the blue face. Considering the morale replenishment at half and the effect of wining individual battles on restoring morale, it takes a pretty big blowout to get to "see" the effects.
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