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I have it on my pHB, http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2494446 , and I think it sucks. Every time it fires, he seems to slow down right after it fires because it puts him in a bad spot and he adjusts. Or it doesnt fire often enough with it at 10 for me to see any obvious benefit for having it. I would say 8/10 times, their is barely a noticeable speed burst. the other 2 times, its really not that much speed, and he just slows down right after it anyways (as noted above). Whats the point in having it?

I cant find much info on WikiGLB about it or anything that Bort/Catch have said. I thought i read once that it gives a bonus to some break tackle SA's, like Power Thru/Lower the Shoulder, but I cant find anything to support that. Edit: I also havent noticed this to be true based off of watching his numerous replays.

Whats other peoples experiences with this? Largely the same as mine?

I don't like Surge. I would go with hurdle over surge for a powerback.

Originally posted by whodey08
I don't like Surge. I would go with hurdle over surge for a powerback.

really?

really?

Maybe try a low agility, high strength/speed bruiser build loaded with surge and FS to compensate for the lack of agility acceleration?

Originally posted by Mob-6
Maybe try a low agility, high strength/speed bruiser build loaded with surge and FS to compensate for the lack of agility acceleration?

when would the FS be helpful? I don't think it fires during the handoff exchange

Originally posted by Mob-6
Maybe try a low agility, high strength/speed bruiser build loaded with surge and FS to compensate for the lack of agility acceleration?
First Step won't help on many HB runs because handoffs are scripted.


tpaterniti swears by Surge, but I'm not particularly impressed with it. It has nothing to do with break tackle SAs in any case.

Originally posted by whodey08
I don't like Surge. I would go with hurdle over surge for a powerback.

sticky hands would be better

surge is pretty nice, hits the hole a bit faster.

not sure what you want from it, doesn't turn the dude into juggernaut.

Originally posted by Robbnva
when would the FS be helpful? I don't think it fires during the handoff exchange

Good point. Um, what if I tried to save face and said something like if the guy has really low agility maybe he hits zero speed on a cut and then needs the FS to spring out of it?

Originally posted by Dr. Showtime
really?

really?

Yea...really. You make jumping a part of your build process. Most power backs run thru the Dline who have very low jumping so it helps avoid those diving tackles. A power back should already have a great "beak tackle" build and hurdle is considered a broke tackle so it helps there too.

People get turned off by Hurdle because they use it on their elusive backs who get tackled by CB's and safeties who have really high jumping and the HB is built to fake so they dont see hurdle activate that often.

Powerback and hurdle:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2285759&pbp_id=4666943
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2285759&pbp_id=4667005
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2285759&pbp_id=4669937
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2285759&pbp_id=4671392
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2285804&pbp_id=6067750
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2285736&pbp_id=5029214

Haven't they said that first step triggers after broken tackles where the dot slows down?

I have seen dots warp from surge hitting the line, and I am pretty sure from first step after hitting it, and then there is the two yard dive for yards warp. They all look the same to me though, teleporting the dot about three dot widths down field.

As for how much its worth it, I dunno. When I had it on dots the dots were not very good so it was hard to say what was and was not working.

Originally posted by whodey08
Yea...really. You make jumping a part of your build process. Most power backs run thru the Dline who have very low jumping so it helps avoid those diving tackles. A power back should already have a great "beak tackle" build and hurdle is considered a broke tackle so it helps there too.

People get turned off by Hurdle because they use it on their elusive backs who get tackled by CB's and safeties who have really high jumping and the HB is built to fake so they dont see hurdle activate that often.

Powerback and hurdle:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2285759&pbp_id=4666943
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2285759&pbp_id=4667005
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2285759&pbp_id=4669937
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2285759&pbp_id=4671392
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2285804&pbp_id=6067750
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2285736&pbp_id=5029214


How high do you have to get jumping to make hurdle work?

Originally posted by JT_HOOD
surge is pretty nice, hits the hole a bit faster.

not sure what you want from it, doesn't turn the dude into juggernaut.

That's what I want. Juggernaut SA.

Originally posted by yello1
Haven't they said that first step triggers after broken tackles where the dot slows down?


Only if its an almost stop on the bt. (EDIT: if you dont have the speed animation script on greasemonkey, the below stuff will be hard to parse through)

Heres a few of my HB's replays:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2285644&pbp_id=7076252 - if you have the animation script, surge fires and he actually gets slower after the surge
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2285644&pbp_id=7076272 - surge activates, but he gets slower again.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2285644&pbp_id=7076317 - surge activates and he actually got a tad faster, probably the best case scenario, but he has to break a tackle immediately after, so he slows down (not by fault of surge)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2285621&pbp_id=6740773 - surge fires, but he slows down immediately after. Whatever he gets near the end of the play is way better than surge.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2285621&pbp_id=6741492 - surge fires, gets him good speed, but he slows down because he probably actually runs past his blockers because of it and gets tackled.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2285621&pbp_id=6743264 - similar to the play above, he probably could have could left, but surge fires him into the filled hole (not saying he would have cut left, but he has in the past, seems like surge doesnt even leave the option)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2285621&pbp_id=6743387 - primo case of surge firing and him slowing down IMMEDIATELY when it fires. Again, i think he slows down because the SA is trying to shoot him where he doesnt want to go
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2285621&pbp_id=6743533 - another play where surge doesnt appear to really do anything.

So, 2/8 plays, Surge gave a tangible speed bonus. Even then, its questionable as to whether or not the speed bonus is even worth it since it might put him in a bad situation (like sleeping with that nasty girl who looks good because of beer goggles). Is there a way to get a refund of the SP's i put into it? Maybe switch to hurdle??? Please???

Didn't we just have this argument?