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Fmetnik
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Have anyone tried this combo with regards to how it reacts at different confidence levels.

I Do agree that confidence normally blows.. But does anyone know how it affects 'Leader'-abilities? e.i. how does it react with 25 Con, 50 Con 75 Con and 100 Con??
 
Dub J
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It blows.
 
fogie55
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most people discount confidence/morale SAs/VAs, but I have tried the combo you're mentioning with D-General on MLBs and been pretty happy with it and tried Field General on QB and not been as happy--but both are very tough to quantify. The other ones (D-Line and O-Line General) affect far fewer people (D-Gen covers all the LBs and DBs--so up to 8 dots, F-Gen covers all 11 on Off), so it would be hard to think they'd be worthwhile. Overall, QBs probably have better SAs and VAs to use while MLBs don't so much, although this depends on their AT and role in the D.

the key is it gives a bonus to morale AND stamina--the stamina part might be bigger than the morale part especially late in game and especially on D.

Originally posted by Fmetnik
how does it react with 25 Con, 50 Con 75 Con and 100 Con??


Can't speak to this, but I think the Natural Leader VA requires at least 40 Con. Higher Con must make it fire more often.
 
Dub J
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Morale is a terrible aspect of this game that is so brutal that confidence nor VAs can overcome it.
 
Hagalaz
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Originally posted by fogie55
Higher Con must make it fire more often.

I believe the word you are looking for is not "must"...
 
Fmetnik
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Originally posted by Hagalaz

I believe the word you are looking for is not "must"...


Guess I'll fire this at the next Q&A
 
aaasahi
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Originally posted by Fmetnik
Guess I'll fire this at the next Q&A


You don't need this......
All SA is the same, you want it fire more?
The only way is to put more sp in it.
Confidence do nothing to help it fire more.
 
Fmetnik
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Originally posted by aaasahi
You don't need this......
All SA is the same, you want it fire more?
The only way is to put more sp in it.
Confidence do nothing to help it fire more.


What is your basis for saying this?

I do believe you are right, I am just looking for test to back it up.

EDIT: I want it to fire as much as possible, and I want it to effect as much as possible. Does the Confidence of the rest of the D line matter maybe?
I wonder why General abilities are not used, we all know the effect of a great field General..
I honestly believe that it is worth it, just need to find the right mix.

Edited by Fmetnik on Nov 15, 2012 00:47:36
 
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Well, if you did not invest in stamina OR confidence on all of your d-line, I believe d-line general might be good.

EDIT: However, your line's performance wouldn't...
Edited by Hagalaz on Nov 15, 2012 03:17:05
 
aaasahi
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Originally posted by Fmetnik
What is your basis for saying this?

I do believe you are right, I am just looking for test to back it up.

EDIT: I want it to fire as much as possible, and I want it to effect as much as possible. Does the Confidence of the rest of the D line matter maybe?
I wonder why General abilities are not used, we all know the effect of a great field General..
I honestly believe that it is worth it, just need to find the right mix.



One thing is Bort once talked about Aura of Intimidation, he said confidence help nothing about morale drain.
I trust General skill is the same.

And from what Bort said, I trust all SA is the same system: more SP in it, higher chance to fire.
Attribute have nothing to do to help SA fire.
 
Hagalaz
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Originally posted by aaasahi
One thing is Bort once talked about Aura of Intimidation, he said confidence help nothing about morale drain.
I trust General skill is the same.

And from what Bort said, I trust all SA is the same system: more SP in it, higher chance to fire.
Attribute have nothing to do to help SA fire.


But you also know some SAs need to WORK when firing, right ? -_-
 
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Originally posted by Hagalaz
But you also know some SAs need to WORK when firing, right ? -_-


Ah, yes, that's another story.
The most example is Strong Base didn't apply on running play even it's Run Stuffer DE's favor SA.......
 
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Originally posted by aaasahi
Ah, yes, that's another story.
The most example is Strong Base didn't apply on running play even it's Run Stuffer DE's favor SA.......


Oh and this got fixed at S28(or S29?)
 
Hagalaz
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Originally posted by aaasahi
Ah, yes, that's another story.
The most example is Strong Base didn't apply on running play even it's Run Stuffer DE's favor SA.......


I think the best example is good old spin. He can fire left and right and if you don't break a tackle with it, it won't even show up on the PBP...
 
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