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Is There a description on the limitation of player positioning in the DPC?

In particular the limitations on placement under "Cover Man"?

I thought you could bring a player outside of his placement zone by cover man, to some degree anyway. But not looking like it now.

Is there any written description of this anywhere?

Any DL / LB set to Blitz (even if it is the last option in the progression) will be limited to the spot set by the LB / DL alignment setting.

If the player is not set to blitz at any point in the progression, if it is set to Cover Man, it will move to in front of the player they are covering. If you want to set their position, use Cover Man without Move.

CB / FS / SS can blitz from any position that you can move them to.

That's it in a nutshell.

Thats what I thought, but...in a 3-4

Had a ROLB set to cover the HB and drop to zone as a back up and he did not move. In the same play the RILB is set to cover the TE and drop to zone and did not move.

Originally posted by yello1
Thats what I thought, but...in a 3-4

Had a ROLB set to cover the HB and drop to zone as a back up and he did not move. In the same play the RILB is set to cover the TE and drop to zone and did not move.



Was he set to Cover Man or Cover Man without Move? Can you include links to the replays in question?

Originally posted by Plankton
Was he set to Cover Man or Cover Man without Move? Can you include links to the replays in question?

Plain old cover man. I know he is doing a strong sweep here, so I am trying to get the right side LBs as far over to the left as I can in case the left side guys get caked/spun/powered. So the ROLB is Cover Man HB and the RILB is cover man TE.


http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2123572&pbp_id=5753858

and

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2123572&pbp_id=5754342

As soon as I saw the first one in the replays I changed the D to manually get them over as far as I could. So the settings are hard to say for sure. But looking at it, I think I probably did screw up and have the RILB on blitz, he sure looks like he is more than just pursuing but blitzing. And he is now just on generic "zone" suggesting he was on blitz when I changed his position. Now that I think of it I recall thinking he would be best blitzing to tie up the TE. So that one I screwed up.

But the ROLB was set to go to a zone (Deep Strong Half, the only Strong zone I could get him to) as a blitz from over the center would be useless.

And instead of covering the HB, he sits there, covering the HB from his normal Strong shift position.

Isn't there some limitation on players inside the box? Like you can't set ROLB to cover man TE and expect him to move to the strong side.

Originally posted by Bane
Isn't there some limitation on players inside the box? Like you can't set ROLB to cover man TE and expect him to move to the strong side.

Or even HB in a 3-4 - IF my example is not some kind of a bug.

I should test this out.

Originally posted by Bane
Isn't there some limitation on players inside the box? Like you can't set ROLB to cover man TE and expect him to move to the strong side.

If he is set to "cover man" than he will line up in front of the TE. He won't line up there in your custom play diagram but he will be in front of the TE for that play if he is set to "cover man".

Originally posted by whodey08
If he is set to "cover man" than he will line up in front of the TE. He won't line up there in your custom play diagram but he will be in front of the TE for that play if he is set to "cover man".

No he won't. Try it, I have. ROLB will not move to strong side across the TE .

Originally posted by Bane
No he won't. Try it, I have. ROLB will not move to strong side across the TE .

I think he will for the TE on his side, but not for the TE on the other side. He should run like hell once play starts to cover that TE though. If he don't then there's issues.

Originally posted by Theo Wizzago
I think he will for the TE on his side, but not for the TE on the other side. He should run like hell once play starts to cover that TE though. If he don't then there's issues.

well that would be a completely different scenario. it would be the BTE, and not on the strong side.

try to move each guy manually in the DPC and you'll get a good idea of about where the range of positioning lies...

on a related note, is there a list somewhere of where extra CBs (nickle/dime/quarter) can be? Seems like if you tell certain ones to "cover man" on the opposite side of where they start from it doesn't always work.

would be really nice (and i think there's already a suggestion out there to this effect) if when selecting "cover man" the dot moved to where he'll actually line up and you could see this visibly in the DPC

Originally posted by fogie55
try to move each guy manually in the DPC and you'll get a good idea of about where the range of positioning lies...

on a related note, is there a list somewhere of where extra CBs (nickle/dime/quarter) can be? Seems like if you tell certain ones to "cover man" on the opposite side of where they start from it doesn't always work.

would be really nice (and i think there's already a suggestion out there to this effect) if when selecting "cover man" the dot moved to where he'll actually line up and you could see this visibly in the DPC

I have never had any problems getting any CB's to move to cover man any WR.

I have plays that have CB1 move to cover WR2, CB3 move to cover WR4, CB5 to cover WR1.... they all work fine for me.

I have ever tested FS on WR2 or SS on WR1 though...maybe I will add that to list of things I want to do but will never get around to

Okay this is verified by another game test and me not changing the settings, set it up like this just to see.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2123573&pbp_id=6141974

In a 3-4 the ROLB is set to man the HB and the RILB to man the FB. Both have a secondary fall back of the default simple zone.

Both do not move to man their assignment but stay in their normal positions.

So in a 3-4 the ROLB can not man anyone strongside of the BTE (caveat, in a weak I maybe he could man the FB?).

I did not test to see if the RILB could man the HB, but he can not man a strong I FB position.

I had problems with LBs not moving over the TE in cover man. There is a limitation with them. Players have to be placed outside of the box to move. An OLB cannot move to the opposite side of the box because their origin is inside the box. Maybe try moving their start point as far out as you can. CBs always go to the right spot because their starting point is outside of the box.