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yello1
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In this play here the DE drops into an under middle coverage. Dumb maybe but it seemed like a way to mix things up for one of the options.

The thing is that for the entire seven second play, he stands in that zone in front of a wide open QB close to the first down marker and does not convert into a blitz. This a couple of seconds at least after his zone is empty of receivers.

Zone defenders need to be constantly checking to see if their zone has become obsolete and convert to a blitz or go upfield when it does.

EDIT here is play
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1957351&pbp_id=7377026
Edited by yello1 on Mar 19, 2012 18:47:09
Edited by yello1 on Mar 19, 2012 18:45:20
Edited by yello1 on Mar 19, 2012 18:44:52
 
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there is no play
 
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lol doh

Well trust me, it was annoying.

Here is another annoying play for you to observe in its place.

WTF are the LOLB and MLB doing here that they neither make nor miss a tackle? LG is revcaked, the FB busy blocking the penetrating DT. C and RG are busy with the NT and other DT. So the two LBs are totally unblocked here. Yet the HB runs right through them.....? No missed tackle, no juke, no nothing just LOL pardon me....

Hate this game sometimes.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1957351&pbp_id=7377704
Edited by yello1 on Mar 19, 2012 18:19:06
 
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Im guessing that they hit the LoS at the same time so the HBs surge propelled him past them when not current tackle was being attempted. Looks like some attempt to tackle should have been made though

Personally id set one of those guys to blitz inside. 4 and .5 with no blitzers isn't favorable. Unless the DT or NT can get penetration.
 
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Originally posted by SportzGamer21
Im guessing that they hit the LoS at the same time so the HBs surge propelled him past them when not current tackle was being attempted. Looks like some attempt to tackle should have been made though

Personally id set one of those guys to blitz inside. 4 and .5 with no blitzers isn't favorable. Unless the DT or NT can get penetration.


Yeah. Whole package needs to be retooled.
 
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You broke a cardinal rule of DCs. Never put everyone on the LOS.
 
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Originally posted by All American Dude
You broke a cardinal rule of DCs. Never put everyone on the LOS.


Yeah I didnt used to but got sick and tired of people pushing through for cheap first downs when they were set back. Seems like it doesnt matter. So that D will be S-canned.
 
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Originally posted by yello1
In this play here the DE drops into an under middle coverage. Dumb maybe but it seemed like a way to mix things up for one of the options.

The thing is that for the entire seven second play, he stands in that zone in front of a wide open QB close to the first down marker and does not convert into a blitz. This a couple of seconds at least after his zone is empty of receivers.

Zone defenders need to be constantly checking to see if their zone has become obsolete and convert to a blitz or go upfield when it does.

EDIT here is play
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1957351&pbp_id=7377026


y would he commit to a blitz when u instructed him to play zone? a hook zone to be exact

yello have u played football before? (serious ?)
 
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Originally posted by yello1
lol doh

Well trust me, it was annoying.

Here is another annoying play for you to observe in its place.

WTF are the LOLB and MLB doing here that they neither make nor miss a tackle? LG is revcaked, the FB busy blocking the penetrating DT. C and RG are busy with the NT and other DT. So the two LBs are totally unblocked here. Yet the HB runs right through them.....? No missed tackle, no juke, no nothing just LOL pardon me....

Hate this game sometimes.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1957351&pbp_id=7377704


that def wont work in madden unless u have beast line all the way through so dont expect it to work in glb.
 
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Originally posted by Demboyz
y would he commit to a blitz when u instructed him to play zone? a hook zone to be exact

yello have u played football before? (serious ?)


There a comes a point when the assignment is pointless, you have a QB a few yards in front of you, no blockers or receivers around at all, the first down marker in between you and the QB. The DE should rush the QB at that point.

That said. no I did not play organized ball outside of intramurals which is not organized much at all.
 
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Originally posted by Demboyz
that def wont work in madden unless u have beast line all the way through so dont expect it to work in glb.


But they ARE beasts. The LBs aren't too shabby either.

That said I do not mind getting beat sometimes, and this was really the only time he blew through the inside like that all game IIRC. But its the fact that the unblocked LBs the HB had to touch going by them do not seem to even have had a tackle opportunity that cheeses me off.
 
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Originally posted by yello1
There a comes a point when the assignment is pointless, you have a QB a few yards in front of you, no blockers or receivers around at all, the first down marker in between you and the QB. The DE should rush the QB at that point.

That said. no I did not play organized ball outside of intramurals which is not organized much at all.


smh this explains alot

however the replay u posted the de is playing a hook zone. i say it one more time a hook zone ( i even bolded it for emphasis)

for those of u who play madden its the yellow zone lol

the defender is not going to engaged the qb until he passes the line of scrimmage if he is a hook zone or deeper zone.
 
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Originally posted by yello1
That said. no I did not play organized ball outside of intramurals which is not organized much at all.


this explains y all of ur suggestions with the exception of one are so bad

 
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Originally posted by Diamond Spade
Originally posted by yello1

That said. no I did not play organized ball outside of intramurals which is not organized much at all.


this explains y all of ur suggestions with the exception of one are so bad



The idea that you have to play football to understand the mechanics of it is as asinine as many of the OP's suggestions. Todd Haley was a head coach in the NFL and a very successful NFL coordinator without ever stepping on to a football field. Paul Johnson, head coach for Georgia Tech. David Cutcliffe- Duke, George O' Leary-UCF, Bobby Hauck-UNLV all coached and never played a down. Understanding the game of football and playing it are not mutually exclusive, and while having some experience on the actual field helps understand some concepts it certainly isn't mandatory.

Conversely many people who have played the game at even the college level don't know shit from shinola when it comes to some football concepts particularly ones that didn't have to do with their position. Add to that the fact that GLB and real football are very different animals and don't really share a lot of the same mechanical principals.

Having said that -1 to the OP's specific gripe. The LDE into the under zone performed his job perfectly, he muddied up the middle of the field early in the progression and then sat back in case the QB decided to run. The second replay was just a terribly designed play that wasn't viable for the builds that team has. Zone D should be more viable especially at the higher levels but this isn't one of the problems with it.

I do think that zone defenders should be more aggressive picking up guys coming towards their zone and smarter about when they hand off their responsibility to another player's zone.
 
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Originally posted by merenoise
The idea that you have to play football to understand the mechanics of it is as asinine as many of the OP's suggestions. Todd Haley was a head coach in the NFL and a very successful NFL coordinator without ever stepping on to a football field. Paul Johnson, head coach for Georgia Tech. David Cutcliffe- Duke, George O' Leary-UCF, Bobby Hauck-UNLV all coached and never played a down. Understanding the game of football and playing it are not mutually exclusive, and while having some experience on the actual field helps understand some concepts it certainly isn't mandatory.

Conversely many people who have played the game at even the college level don't know shit from shinola when it comes to some football concepts particularly ones that didn't have to do with their position. Add to that the fact that GLB and real football are very different animals and don't really share a lot of the same mechanical principals.

Having said that -1 to the OP's specific gripe. The LDE into the under zone performed his job perfectly, he muddied up the middle of the field early in the progression and then sat back in case the QB decided to run. The second replay was just a terribly designed play that wasn't viable for the builds that team has. Zone D should be more viable especially at the higher levels but this isn't one of the problems with it.

I do think that zone defenders should be more aggressive picking up guys coming towards their zone and smarter about when they hand off their responsibility to another player's zone.


+1 for the Shinola Reference.



 
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