Warrior General Games

From the Q&A
Question: Does the Pulling Lineman VA trigger on screens?
Bort Answer: Nope; runs only.

This is ungood and not very sensible. A screen is a passing run basically. The Lineman pulls and runs the same sort of blocks. Why would the VA not apply to both a sweep and a screen equally? I can see just for sake of simplicity not having Run Blocking work on Screen passes, but it would make sense to just remove from Pulling Lineman the check for type of play, because on passes other than a screen it wont happen anyway.

So fix this, change it, make Pulling work on pass plays too so it works for screens.

Originally posted by yello1
From the Q&A
Question: Does the Pulling Lineman VA trigger on screens?
Bort Answer: Nope; runs only.

This is ungood and not very sensible. A screen is a passing run basically. The Lineman pulls and runs the same sort of blocks. Why would the VA not apply to both a sweep and a screen equally? I can see just for sake of simplicity not having Run Blocking work on Screen passes, but it would make sense to just remove from Pulling Lineman the check for type of play, because on passes other than a screen it wont happen anyway.

So fix this, change it, make Pulling work on pass plays too so it works for screens.



The reason it is the way it is, I'm almost positive, is the perception that screens are overly powerful anyway.

That hasn't been my experience, but obviously if they're too powerful they can't get other boosts.

Pass Blocking skills and VAs already give a bonus to Screens.

Originally posted by Ken1
The reason it is the way it is, I'm almost positive, is the perception that screens are overly powerful anyway.

That hasn't been my experience, but obviously if they're too powerful they can't get other boosts.

Silly but I could see that being a reason.

But screens havent been too powerful for several seasons IMO.

Originally posted by Skoll Wolfrun
Pass Blocking skills and VAs already give a bonus to Screens.

None of which will help the lineman get his fat butt outside to block. Speed is whats needed and thats what pulling lineman provides.

better builds would remedy the problem more than changing a VA. not arguing just stating a fact if your o-line isn't getting outside and blocking right on screens now then the VA isn't going to help your players.

Originally posted by hatchman
better builds would remedy the problem more than changing a VA. not arguing just stating a fact if your o-line isn't getting outside and blocking right on screens now then the VA isn't going to help your players.

Well it depends. If they aren't getting there now but NEARLY are then a speed boost from the VA might help, its the point of the VA. A 15% add to a 75 speed is over 85 and that could clearly close a gap.

That said yes if its a speed of 40 why bother.

And truth to tell I am not sure if my guys are all getting there or not or how close. I haven't run the O in a while haven't been paying much attention to the details. I should check, In fact, I should probably take this opportunity to compare because I had PLine on them till this seasons games when I had reset them all and have not added them back yet. But I digress.

And I am not even sure it makes sense to spend VAs on this stuff with all the new choices

But the reason for the post is simply because useful or not it doesn't make alot of sense for a pulling lineman to be slower to a screen than a sweep.

Unless I don't know something about foot ball which is entirely possible. Maybe sashaying (sp?) to a screen block is part of the deception.

Originally posted by yello1
From the Q&A
Question: Does the Pulling Lineman VA trigger on screens?
Bort Answer: Nope; runs only.

This is ungood and not very sensible. A screen is a passing run basically. The Lineman pulls and runs the same sort of blocks. Why would the VA not apply to both a sweep and a screen equally? I can see just for sake of simplicity not having Run Blocking work on Screen passes, but it would make sense to just remove from Pulling Lineman the check for type of play, because on passes other than a screen it wont happen anyway.

So fix this, change it, make Pulling work on pass plays too so it works for screens.



I would comment on this but not sure what you are trying to say.
I mean you said before how intelligent you are; but with words like "ungood"(not even in the English language)
Then what is a "passing run"?LOL I mean you said you are in the top .03% (or some stupid crap like that)of intelligence . Then you use words like "ungood"

Now blocking for screen is totally different then blocking for a run.So, now the block for a screen are not the same as for a run as you stated.
You want to use RL football as a guideline
for GLB to follow, but yet you saying screen blocking and run blocking are the same gives evidence that you almost have no clue what details there are in the fundamentals of RL football.AGain this shows you are just blasting ideas off with out no real thought.Then when someone shows you fault in the idea you want to try argue your point with no real seriou8s thinking behind it.Then you cry about being trolled.
Not trying to be an ass..just the plain, blunt truth.

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Originally posted by ron2288
I would comment on this but not sure what you are trying to say.
I mean you said before how intelligent you are; but with words like "ungood"(not even in the English language)
Then what is a "passing run"?LOL I mean you said you are in the top .03% (or some stupid crap like that)of intelligence . Then you use words like "ungood"
Newspeak. Read a book some time and drop the ad hominems.

Originally posted by ron2288
Originally posted by yello1

From the Q&A
Question: Does the Pulling Lineman VA trigger on screens?
Bort Answer: Nope; runs only.

This is ungood and not very sensible. A screen is a passing run basically. The Lineman pulls and runs the same sort of blocks. Why would the VA not apply to both a sweep and a screen equally? I can see just for sake of simplicity not having Run Blocking work on Screen passes, but it would make sense to just remove from Pulling Lineman the check for type of play, because on passes other than a screen it wont happen anyway.

So fix this, change it, make Pulling work on pass plays too so it works for screens.



I would comment on this but not sure what you are trying to say.
I mean you said before how intelligent you are; but with words like "ungood"(not even in the English language)
Then what is a "passing run"?LOL I mean you said you are in the top .03% (or some stupid crap like that)of intelligence . Then you use words like "ungood"

Now blocking for screen is totally different then blocking for a run.So, now the block for a screen are not the same as for a run as you stated.
You want to use RL football as a guideline
for GLB to follow, but yet you saying screen blocking and run blocking are the same gives evidence that you almost have no clue what details there are in the fundamentals of RL football.AGain this shows you are just blasting ideas off with out no real thought.Then when someone shows you fault in the idea you want to try argue your point with no real seriou8s thinking behind it.Then you cry about being trolled.
Not trying to be an ass..just the plain, blunt truth.

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You've never read 1984 I gather. Un-Good is a term from the book. Classic stuff. Tad dry but you're United States Culture-Fu will be increased if you at least read the Cliff Notes Grasshopper (or whatever the new Cliff's are these days)

Its a passing run because the HB runs to the side and is passed the ball before he crosses the line of scrimmage. The net effect is much like a sweep but with an attempt to dupe the defense into biting on a pass.

As for the blocking for one being different than the other, I noted myself that this was possible in my OP so thank you for flaming me for not knowing something I said I may not know.

That said, however, the actual block itself is not important and not my point. The point is the physical act of the O line man running away from the line and towards the sideline before making the block, which is what the Pulling Lineman VA is all about. I did not say that Outside Blocker should apply. Just Pulling Lineman. While I may not know some nuance it would seem to me that motoring ones wide O Line but 10 yards stage left would be much the same skill regardless of the type of play one was going to support when you eventually got there.

Stage Left is another cultural reference by the way, dual one being both basic theater oriented and also.....hmm an old cartoon. What was the name? Snaggletooth was the character. Was that the name of the show?

Anyway, thanks for the honest flame, but you missed your mark badly.