Warrior General Games

I'm looking at you Stoner DTD...
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player_replays.pl?player_id=2255768&game_id=1479988
Level 6 Punter with no dedicated ST help
26 yard net punt average
That might not be godly, but it's better than a practically gaurenteed 0.

Especially with a first cap strength punter like I have, im looking at 50 yards

Its obviously better to punt this season, hell you could probably punt on 3rd down and long the way the sim is this season.

so what was the point of the thread again? ...ahhk ...you commenting on the crap ST builds that your punter was up against?!?

Originally posted by ManOgwaR
so what was the point of the thread again? ...ahhk ...you commenting on the crap ST builds that your punter was up against?!?

p sure it has something to do with this: http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=4372181&page=1

Punters are overated and take a roster spot that could be used for another defender

Originally posted by ManOgwaR
so what was the point of the thread again? ...ahhk ...you commenting on the crap ST builds that your punter was up against?!?

Again, I didn't have my STers in the ST plays at all so how would I have the advantage in STs going against dedicated STers whether they're crappy or not? I don't think my punter is some amazing dot at all, I'm sure it's just an average punter. Not exactly a ton of build directions you can take with a punter. Here's an example of my punter getting 26 net yards per punt at only level 6. Yet, I see people going for it on 4th and 9 a lot and not even carrying a punter on their team. Maybe 26 is a bit high to expect every game, but why give up the free yards? I'm suggesting not giving up those free yards by carrying a punter on your team and not going for it on 4th and long. If you disagree with my advice, I'd be happy to listen to your opinion.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/team_stats.pl?league_id=215&conference_id=0&stat=sp_teams&sort=punt_return_td&playoffs=0

this is my argument against punting ...RR hasn't conceded any TDs on ST coz we dun punt ...but of course, my ST coach does an awesome job setting up our ST also

here are some examples associated with your team...

the difference between king kong winning and losing was ST:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1479986

your team here wouldn't have even scored if it wasn't for them punting:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1494566

I see your point, but I disagree. Here are a couple counterpoints.

1. The vast majority of those PR TDs come against teams with crappy STs, if you have good STs then it's very rare
2. Even if your opponents do get a PR TD, the good field position you get on your other drives can be make it worth it anyway. For example, lets say my punter in the game in the OP punted a 5th time and gave up a gigantic 75 yard TD after a 25 yard punt. That's 104 net yards of punting minus 50 yards of net returning for a total of 54 net punting yards. That's still 54 yards of field position in MY team's favor. Not punting any of those times would have been 0 yards in my team's favor.

have another look at the results that my PRs have gotten against good teams ...it kept us in the game against TEXAS ...we may not have gotten as many against the better teams, but obviously that is to be expected

Originally posted by ManOgwaR
have another look at the results that my PRs have gotten against good teams ...it kept us in the game against TEXAS ...we may not have gotten as many against the better teams, but obviously that is to be expected

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1494775

They had 84 yards total punting. Your team had 49 yards total returning. That is a net punting total of 35 yards. That is 35 yards that they wouldn't have had if they had never punted. There is advantages to punting and to not punting, but I feel like the advantages to punting are clearly superior.

Originally posted by ManOgwaR
here are some examples associated with your team...

the difference between king kong winning and losing was ST:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1479986

your team here wouldn't have even scored if it wasn't for them punting:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1494566

As for these examples, while I respect King Kong they have literaly no STers. I think that qualifies them for crappy STs. I'd also like to point out my punting did well aganst both those teams and in the King Kong game I didn't have my STers playing STs.

Originally posted by HALL OF FAMER Al Davis
Originally posted by ManOgwaR

have another look at the results that my PRs have gotten against good teams ...it kept us in the game against TEXAS ...we may not have gotten as many against the better teams, but obviously that is to be expected

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1494775

They had 84 yards total punting. Your team had 49 yards total returning. That is a net punting total of 35 yards. That is 35 yards that they wouldn't have had if they had never punted. There is advantages to punting and to not punting, but I feel like the advantages to punting are clearly superior.

yes they had a total 35 yards that I conceded for a TD ##POINTS TO SCOREBOARD!##

I'd recommend not punting, ever, don't even make a punter. After losing 2 games a few seasons ago due to ST TD's, I haven't punted since. I don't care about the yardage, my defense is good enough to stop them. Points is all I'm really worried about.

Originally posted by HALL OF FAMER Al Davis
http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1494775

They had 84 yards total punting. Your team had 49 yards total returning. That is a net punting total of 35 yards. That is 35 yards that they wouldn't have had if they had never punted. There is advantages to punting and to not punting, but I feel like the advantages to punting are clearly superior.

35 yards could make the difference in a made or missed Field Goal over time.

Originally posted by D~Town
Originally posted by HALL OF FAMER Al Davis

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1494775

They had 84 yards total punting. Your team had 49 yards total returning. That is a net punting total of 35 yards. That is 35 yards that they wouldn't have had if they had never punted. There is advantages to punting and to not punting, but I feel like the advantages to punting are clearly superior.

35 yards could make the difference in a made or missed Field Goal over time.

Or they could've gotten two TDs, one more than they did, with an extra 17 yards on two seperate drives. No way of knowing. I wouldn't say punting was valueable in that game, but I wouldn't say it was very harmful either. Certainly seems like a bad example of why not to punt.

Originally posted by D~Town
Originally posted by HALL OF FAMER Al Davis

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1494775

They had 84 yards total punting. Your team had 49 yards total returning. That is a net punting total of 35 yards. That is 35 yards that they wouldn't have had if they had never punted. There is advantages to punting and to not punting, but I feel like the advantages to punting are clearly superior.

35 yards could make the difference in a made or missed Field Goal over time.

LOL ...hey you trying to remind me who won that game?

...I was just pointing out how a TD or 2 on ST can even up the balance regardless on the yards gained on ST coz the wrestle for yardage gets reset after half time, so that 35 or so yards might not register on the scoreboard coz 15 yards may have been before half time, but the TDs on PRs quickly account for the ground lost during the game ...somtimes we miss out on the bonuses for not punting, but it could give us the edge that makes the difference to the final result

it was the choice that I made for this season to not punt, but our ST has always been accountable for returners ...I just wanted to try avoiding the risk in favor for another shot at saving the drive