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For those who has been doing their math, help me out.

I've tried making a TE before, but only now did I decide to try again. With all the changes since then, how do you guys suggest I do his training?

I do realize it's quite late with him being lv 5 already but I'd still like answers.

As you can see, I have 1st capped Str and currently training Blk. I'll keep training it until I reach my target for Str at 70ish. After that, I finish Blk, then go Agi.

I'm thinking str-blk-agi-spd-vis-conf.
Is that fine, or do you guys suggest another approach?

As for training, I bought one +bonus to Spd training so that I can up it quickly when time comes.
Is this fine? Or should I have chosen otherwise?

With the tokens piling up, should I use them to buy sp's or just store them for the future aeq?


Escalated Blood Pressure (Lv. 5 Blocking TE)
Ht/Wt: 6'4", 268lbs

Experience, Skill Points, and Cash
Money: $0
Daily Salary: $355
Skill Points: 17
Training Points: 0
Bonus Tokens: 8
Veteran Points: 0
Next Level: 268/1000

Attributes
Physical Attributes
Strength: 49
Speed: 10.92
Agility: 12.27
Jumping: 7.33
Stamina: 11.59
Vision: 10.93
Confidence: 11.6

Football Skills
Blocking: 25 (+1)
Catching: 12.32 (+1)
Tackling: 8
Throwing: 8
Carrying: 8
Kicking: 8
Punting: 8

Special Abilities
Blocking Abilities
Run Block: 0
Pass Block: 0
Hands: 0
Get Low: 0
Pancake: 0

Receiving Abilities
Route Running: 0
Sticky Hands: 0
Quick Cut: 0
Cover Up: 0
Lower the Shoulder: 0

Additional Abilities
First Step: 0

If you use your tokens now, I wouldn't buy SP. You should multi train and get bonuses to your training.

What do you suggest I multi train? Should I buy the ability to multi train speed with my primary attributes, or should I just buy the primaries and train them altogether?

Here's my guys so far, but I started before the multi training:

Level 33

Strength:
92.72 (+10)
Blocking:
74.72
Speed:
32.12 (+4)
Tackling:
12.38
Agility:
63.1 (+12)
Throwing:
8
Jumping:
8
Catching:
21.74
Stamina:
25.12
Carrying:
12.38
Vision:
49.72
Kicking:
8
Confidence:
30.1

He seems OK, but he's slow. He does hold blocks at the line well though. I'm sure once speed is up he'll kill the secondary.

I'd suggest maybe putting SP into STR until 73-77 while intense multi training BLO, AGI, SPD, VIS. I would put as many stars as I could into AGI and SPD since you'll be training them for a bit (see the caveat and questions below first though). Once you start putting SP into BLO (probably 68-73-77 whatever you think is best - I think 73 sounds good) get CON/STA going in the training rotation. These are important. As a rule, I try to keep them (STA/CON) the same as the level of my dot (as you can see I'm low on them). TEs tend to get a lot of time on ST as well, so STA is good to keep at a decent level.

Also, make sure you don't put SP into SA until 35-40ish? (I'm not exactly sure of the optimum level to start putting SP in SA)

This is my plan, but I'm not too sure if it's the best. Maybe someone else can offer some suggestions.

Remember, when you train 4 attributes, you get +30% to your stat increase.

I have one burning question though. Does the 30% for multi training stack with the modifier for enhanced training?

For example, I train 4 skills all the time (+30%). I also have 4 stars (+40%) in enhanced vision. Will I still get the 40% bonus for enhanced training if I am multi training it?

Basically, to answer your question, it would be good to know how these modifiers stack. Are they multiplicative? Additive? Do they even stack? I still think it's a good idea to multitrain over putting BT towards purchasing SP though.

To god056:
I think your Attribute Capping order is good to go. Would take STR straight to 5th Cap for sure though. Although he won't need uber STR against the secondary...taking it to 5th Cap will allow you more flexibility later on, so that you are not forced to having to dump all your EQ/AEQ into STR. More options to disperse your gear over more Atts (like SPD). Also will provide 2 other important thlngs...better ALGs and buy you added time to train BLK up.

I highly disagree w/ Multi training on the 2nd Attribute though! IMO, Multi-4 and even Multi-3 takes far too long to raise It to the "pre-SP target level" you need...even if you are planning to take your 1st Att all the way, straight to 6th Cap and have +2 or +3 Enhancers to go along w/ it. Don't get me wrong, Multi training works great and I personally love it! It's just that you lose too much valuable training time for that 2nd Att, to make it viable & optimum option. Multi training is def the way to go for 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th Atts, however.

For the 1st two seasons of my young dots, I believe in converting almost all of my BTs into SPs, in order to maximize hitting the caps faster on both 1st & 2nd Atts. Even w/ the new training system, it's still all about getting to the higher Caps fast and reaping the ALGs. If used strategically for Cap turnovers, it can benefit immensely! When your 2nd Att approaches your "pre-SP target level" (maybe 2 pts away), then you can begin to back off of the SP conversions and start Unlocking & Enhancing your respective Multi Atts.

To Redwood22:
re putting SPs into SAs...varies for position and whether or not you are building for immediate success or "End Build" success...but I generally don't like pumping SAs until at least past Lvl 55+. Many experienced agents that are on long-term teams targeting the Pros/WL, don't start adding SAs until Lvl 60 or beyond. Pretty much, it's a reaction to the SIM mechanics, which forces us all to go to such ridiculous extremes on certain Atts, in order for the higher level success. In turn, this extends the time it takes to finally round out the builds. Again, the faster & higher you can raise your base Atts, the better overall build you will have in the end.

re Attribute training Enhancers...it's multiplicative (sucks!) but yes, at least they do indeed stack (yea!). Haven't done the math for myself but remember reading in the mains awhile ago, that it's best not to Enhance more than 2 or 3xs though...since the "multiplicative factor" diminishes the gains far too much, for the progressively growing BT cost to be an optimal option. Can't remember where I saw that, or I'd link it for you. If I run across it again, I will be sure to do so.

So is it advisable to hold off on muli training until I have bought the ability to train 3rd-6th att?

I was also thinking of using the BT's for SP's but I am worried that I might not be able to max the aeq upgrades when time comes (planning on having 4). I have a C on the 60's and he's still short on aeq upgrades, and he just have 3.

I think RSN23's advice is much better than mine. I am a little unsure myself and was just thinking out loud. I really think his point about getting your attributes high as possible asap is right on. So, in my next builds I'll be using some BTs toward SPs.

Also, remember you can light train later to get those BTs back. In fact, you probably will gain more from the ALGs from using the BTs towards SPs in the beginning than you lose from light training in the end. And, those stats you're pumping up in the beginning are more valid than those you are training at the end!

Good points.

Thanks

Originally posted by god056
So is it advisable to hold off on muli training until I have bought the ability to train 3rd-6th att?

I was also thinking of using the BT's for SP's but I am worried that I might not be able to max the aeq upgrades when time comes (planning on having 4). I have a C on the 60's and he's still short on aeq upgrades, and he just have 3.

IMO, I would def hold off on the Multi training for right now and continue to Single Intense train BLK. Sounds like you have a bucketful of BTs at your disposal, so you shouldn't be strapped as to purchasing of all your Unlocks & Enhances for the other Atts. Also keep in mind that you don't necessarily need to convert all of your BTs towards SP conversion, in order for it to be effective either. As I mentioned above, if strategically applied...when you are very close to capping the Att, w/an Att level-up fast approaching and you will still be short 1 or 2 SPs...then that would be the optimum time to convert. Basically that ls the whole premise/aim of Cap Building...making every single ALG, SP and Training % count. No waste.

As to your 2nd question, see below.

Originally posted by redwood22
Also, remember you can light train later to get those BTs back. In fact, you probably will gain more from the ALGs from using the BTs towards SPs in the beginning than you lose from light training in the end. And, those stats you're pumping up in the beginning are more valid than those you are training at the end!

EXACTLY! Someone (think maybe it was Tautology) did the math, which was later substantiated by others, that the optimum training was:
1) Solely single Intense training your 1st & 2nd Atts, converting BTs to SP through 2-1/2 seasons or so (only for your first 2 Atts though)
2) Using Multi-4 w/ Enhancers for your 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th Atts
3) Finishing up the last 3 seasons before plateau solely on Light training for all your 4 AEQ BTs...which includes crafting AEQ and/or some shopping and Lvl 72 upgrades for all 4 pieces.

And yes, the BT to SP conversion ls a better SP value for these early stages, rather than later. I'll sometimes still do it mid-career for an important 3rd or 4th Att if it is hovering on the 4th or 5th Cap waiting for 1 more BT though haha!