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Level 62 Zone FS, 61 jumping, 15 in 3rd down stopper, +21% deflect ball chance, how high should I take the Swat Ball SA? is 5 sufficient or do I need more at end-build?

I'm not a fan of the PD % increase - I'd rather increase speed, agility and vision through AEQ and VA's and get more chances at PD's.

Originally posted by idm03
I'm not a fan of the PD % increase - I'd rather increase speed, agility and vision through AEQ and VA's and get more chances at PD's.

thank you for the opinion on something that has nothing to do with my question. I had to take PD% because I wanted one more piece of AEQ but my resources were limited. I shopped and rolled +3 Spd/+5% PD and decided that was as good as I was going to find with my very limited number of shopping trips remaining.

My question is about the Swat Ball SA. How high does it need to be (how many of my remaining SP's do I need to allocate to it) considering the build that I have.

lol. I love it.

Anyway, I have no idea about how the higher levels of Swat Ball work. If you have 5 in it already, and with those other stats you mentioned... I'd say leave it at 5. Anything more than that sounds, to me now, diminishing returns. Put your SP's into something that will put you in position to deflect the ball. Change Direction, First Step, etc.

That's my totally unqualified opinion. Take it for what you will.

Reading comprehension failed you? OK. You "need" 0. But with any SA, all or nothing.

I guess you want more pass deflection on your FS, 5 on Swat Ball is enough.

But here's a question, how high is your safety's vision/speed/agility?
Need to take that into consideration if want him to be able to deflect more passes because he needs to be able to keep up with the receivers (if playing man to man) or be able to "see" incoming passes to the receivers (if playing zone).

I have a level 59 FS -> http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1363922 and he only has 1 on Swat Ball but he does have 123 speed (w/EQ), 79 agility, 83 vision, 60 jumping and 50 tackling (probably the 11 on super vision helps him more).

Originally posted by idm03
Reading comprehension failed you? OK. You "need" 0. But with any SA, all or nothing.

A reading comprehension insult from the guy who answered a question about an SA by talking about everything BUT the SA in question. It's hard to comprehend (or in this case "read your mind") when something is written so poorly. If you meant I need 0, say I need 0. Alluding to attributes, VA's, and AEQ when the matter at hand concerns SA's/SP's is just pointless and distracting. As for the post I just quoted... much better info, thank you.

Agi/Spd/Vis are covered and won't be going any higher except through EQ/AAGs. I don't want to give up my whole build, but suffice to say they are not a concern. Thanks everyone for your input, now I know not to put any more points into SB.

So Swat Ball does not result in a PD?

You already have plenty of PD gear. Why dilute it? That was my point. I was trying to be polite, I guess you didn;t pick up on it.

Originally posted by idm03
So Swat Ball does not result in a PD?

You already have plenty of PD gear. Why dilute it? That was my point. I was trying to be polite, I guess you didn;t pick up on it.

I'm over this. I realize that I'm critical and can be condescending, but if you insult my ability to read then you are not "trying to be polite" This thread doesn't need any more, sorry if I was a dick (which I kinda was), let's move on.

The first reply was suggesting Swat Ball is essentially just another way of doing PD%. It's hard to say if there is any difference in the two because the SA decribtion sounds exactly like PD% only tbh.. But without any hard numbers. It's possible that SB improves the quality of the PD (if there even is such a thing...), other than that it would seem they are the same. I would think 5 is as high as you need to go (I got 5 in it on my FS also actually)

Originally posted by Golan
The first reply was suggesting Swat Ball is essentially just another way of doing PD%. It's hard to say if there is any difference in the two because the SA decribtion sounds exactly like PD% only tbh.. But without any hard numbers. It's possible that SB improves the quality of the PD (if there even is such a thing...), other than that it would seem they are the same. I would think 5 is as high as you need to go (I got 5 in it on my FS also actually)

im pretty sure SB is a flat bonus and PD% is obviously a % bonus. so they are similar in that they both give a bonus, but different in the way that they go about giving the bonus.

now, im more used to building CBs, and CBs of course need a good amount more jumping and such that FSs do, but the higher you can get your PD score without sacrificing the rest of your attributes, the better, and im pretty sure you can get 60+ jumping and 8+ SB without screwing over your build. now if you were going for more of a do-it-all FS rather than a coverage guy then i can see going without SB to 8, but for a coverage guy, i see no reason why you wouldnt want to.

I think Swat Ball is actually a pretty good SA. I've seen great improvements to mainly LB's covering skill in the past which leads me to believe the SA just works well.
Im probably going to take it to 7(6+1) for my FS.

Originally posted by DaMayan
I think Swat Ball is actually a pretty good SA. I've seen great improvements to mainly LB's covering skill in the past which leads me to believe the SA just works well.
Im probably going to take it to 7(6+1) for my FS.

I had it at 9 on my SS I retired a while ago, I liked it. But Like I said that was a while ago.

One of the top SAs for a safety, imo. My safety has seven. Your PD score can never be high enough, and Swat Ball (anecdotally) is a flat, not %-based bonus.

Also, to whoever said they weren't a fan of PD% AEQ . . . O_o. A +3 Speed +PD% AEQ is arguably the best AEQ you could possibly roll for a coverage FS.

I like 10. High modifiers are kewl