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I don't mean to offend anyone in gold, but when I sometimes lurk around in the gold forums I see a lot of people complaining about what a drag it is. Is it fun anymore?

My proposition is that we go back to the old league system, with X number of leagues that are randomly assigned. This will increase forum discussion about who is the "best" teams and will tbh lead to more scrimmages which will give more money to Bort.

The schedule should look like this

Day 1-21: League play (10 games)
Day 22-31: League tournaments
Day 32-41: Official tournament for qualifying teams. It will be a lot like March Madness in which conference winners (2 per leaague) will get automatic bids, and then there will be a set number of at large bids which will be decided by a script or by a selection committe.

Of course this will never actually happen but it seems like something that will be very fun and keep forums active with questions all season about who will get into the tourney, and then predictions once the final tourney brackets are released.

TBH, I don't like this idea because it puts the onus on us (the paying customers) rather than Bort (the service provider) to improve the quality of the product. There are many worthwhile ideas floating around from some dedicated PW people, yet these people are never listened to or consulted before changes are implemented.

The end result is that what once was a fun, vibrant, and cohesive group of PW agents/owners/coordinators with active forums is now a somewhat frustrated group. The product has gotten worse instead of better, and the complaints are being ignored which is probably why the 'rage quit' is become more and more popular.

EDIT: I should have also mentioned that I don't hate the idea itself, more that I feel strongly that going backwards doesn't make as much sense as fixing things now and moving forward.

Originally posted by vrecksler
TBH, I don't like this idea because it puts the onus on us (the paying customers) rather than Bort (the service provider) to improve the quality of the product.

explain?

Originally posted by 1kwerdna
explain?

2+2= 1

I like it, but think a twist is needed.

Have 16 Pee-Wee leagues with 24 team each, 2 divisions of 12. No Gold/Silver/Copper. Have a 12 week season instead of 10. A 4 game playoff structure for each league just like now would crown the 16 league champions by day 31. Then on day 32, start a 16 team tournament where only the winners of each league are invited and seeded based on some factors like record, points allowed, points scored, etc. At the end of day 40, you will have one single team crowned champion of all of Pee-Wee!

How cool would that be? This would also allow for more trophies, current trophy system for the leagues, then an official final 4 and champion/runner-up trophies, all without extra flex points. Of course other tourneys can and will take place, but this will be the only Officially run tourney to crown the Pee-Wee champion.

Yes this means fewer overall Pee-Wee teams, but with so many CPU teams currently and half of all Pee-Wee teams with a lot of CPU players, this will condense the talent pool and make recruiting easier. Plus every single team in Pee-Wee has an equal shot at the championship.

As for what to do each season, use the final 16 team tourney to rank those league champions 1-16 and place them in the league of that number, so Pee-Wee League #1 would always contain the previous season's champion, league #2 has the 2nd place team, etc. The rest of the teams that didn't make the championship tourney are just randomized each season.

One downside is that this new system only guarantees teams a min of 12 meaningful game vs 16 now. But one solution is to have consolidation rounds after teams loose in their playoffs rather than random scrimmages and use those to give a final rank in each division rather than just how teams did in the regular season. The purpose of the regular season is to make sure you are in the top 8 of 12 teams so you make the playoffs, and to try to get the best seeding you can.

This is not something we can do, Bort and crew would have to rewrite how Pee-Wee works, but I think once the bugs are worked out, this would be one fun system! Just the idea that any team can take it all and that there is an official championship tourney at the end of every season would be a ton of fun!!!

Thoughts?

Originally posted by Gerr
I like it, but think a twist is needed.

Have 16 Pee-Wee leagues with 24 team each, 2 divisions of 12. No Gold/Silver/Copper. Have a 12 week season instead of 10. A 4 game playoff structure for each league just like now would crown the 16 league champions by day 31. Then on day 32, start a 16 team tournament where only the winners of each league are invited and seeded based on some factors like record, points allowed, points scored, etc. At the end of day 40, you will have one single team crowned champion of all of Pee-Wee!


Thoughts?

I like the idea of having a couple of at-large candidates (those who don't win their league). It allows for more activity, discussion, and suspense until the teams are announced. I'd say something like this:

14 Leagues
28 automatic bids to the 32 team tournament (conference winners get in)
8 "play-in" at large teams that will compete for the final 4 spots

Ya, I would like to see more than just the league champions in the championship tourney, but problem is there isn't enough time to due such a large tourney without extending the season. I also think any less than 12 regular season games puts too much of an importance on the playoffs.

A 32 team tournament is 5 rounds. It would be only one more round than the current playoff system which I think could be worked out

True, but if they went 32, then it would be obvious that the runner up from each league would get in also. Remember that all of those 32 teams would need to be ranked by some system, which is why I thought 16 would be easier and could fit into the 40-day season.

Let's just leave Gold as it is. If you don't want to be there don't win. It's pretty simple. A lot of us old schoolers faught to get Gold established. There isn't very many of us left but let's not let the new kids ruin what took seasons to make.

my .02

Originally posted by LordEvil
Let's just leave Gold as it is. If you don't want to be there don't win. It's pretty simple. A lot of us old schoolers faught to get Gold established. There isn't very many of us left but let's not let the new kids ruin what took seasons to make.

my .02

+1 just let it be.

Mow the lawn and cut the damn bushes. Gold would be fine!

Fix the fucking sim and quit gaw damn calling plays that are not in an AI.
I am sometimes to buzzed to even know where the fucking play came from and research for 2-3 hours finding the fucking play is not anywhere to be found in my AI.

Fix that gaw damn shit. When I click on ESPN I do not plan to watch Fox Sports.
Come on GLB! I like the game and meaning behind it ( I can build some great players and GP with the best of them to have a consistent winning record in Gold) But quit tugging on my penis unless your going to suck it!! 9Don't forget I am a paying consumer) You keep consuming my money, you consume my wrath to!!

Originally posted by 1kwerdna
I like the idea of having a couple of at-large candidates (those who don't win their league). It allows for more activity, discussion, and suspense until the teams are announced. I'd say something like this:

14 Leagues
28 automatic bids to the 32 team tournament (conference winners get in)
8 "play-in" at large teams that will compete for the final 4 spots

I wonder if there is anyway you could have a "on the bubble" or "at large" tracker like the NCAA does to see what a team needs to get in. I'm not sure if a forumla for this is possible.

If guys like LE and dtown don't like the idea then I don't see any need to push it. They have earned their way there and deserve to keep their spot. I've just never liked the idea of gold/silver/copper because it undermines the whole point of peewee: any team has a chance to regroup and start over every season so is it really fair to judge teams based upon what they did in past seasons?

I feel like gold would get boring after a while.... Especially for guys like LE who have pretty much already maxed out in terms if success (can't do any better than a perfect season )

Originally posted by enasty19
I wonder if there is anyway you could have a "on the bubble" or "at large" tracker like the NCAA does to see what a team needs to get in. I'm not sure if a forumla for this is possible.

That would all have to be human run from an unbiased party. The formulas are possible... Just look at all the scripts out there . The problem with formulas is that you can't really assume that all leagues willl be equal.

Imagine if we went back to the old way. The same teams would win the championship each season. Out of 16 games 2 may be competitive. I agree there are teams in gold that do not belong there but that happens every season. I'd rather 10 of those 16 teams give us a real scare than say 1 or 2 (the old way). I think the Gold selection process needs to be revamped and give teams the option of accepting or declining a Gold invite. If a team in Silver 8 wins a championship they should have the option to advance. Some teams are in it to win a trophy reguardless of where they played. After you do win a championship you do lose the hunger so when some teams get to gold they probably don't really care to be a top 3 team in gold, they already won a championship.
Also every pee wee team should have that option in case a runner up is selected. Maybe the runner up team doesn't want to be in gold either. Eventually you will find enough teams to fill 32 team league with teams wanting to be in gold and competeing.