Warrior General Games

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1583503

with his 15 point from boosting to 42 and the 2 he is sat on, i am thinking of going 90strength 90 speed(still has 11 to add from equipment once it is free to upgrade)

would you guys go that way 90/90 or something else?

You agility looks a little low to me. I would do something about that as soon as possible.

Originally posted by J Stay
You agility looks a little low to me. I would do something about that as soon as possible.

This.

As a player that relies on broken tackles to really be effective, you need the ability to accelerate after the fact or you'll get swarmed and brought down anyways.

P.S. 80 speed is fine for the time being. Once you get enough strength/carrying to consistently break tackles (against decent competition FWIW), then you can start to bring speed up higher IMHO.

my thought is to get 77 speed asap natural, i wont be taking agility that high. i want as much speed strength and carrying as possible. its why i went strength, carrying speed, although i capped agility after first capping speed.

how high do you think agility needs to be? 68? more?

I went strength, carrying, agility and speed on my FB... to maximize ALGs.

Our FBs are the same level. I will start working on speed in S16 (I should cap agility at 73 by lvl 41). I will be taking speed to 72 or 73 before working SAs. Then again, I'm not making a bruising power running, I'm making a combo running FB... a threat to run inside or outside, strong enough to run over DBs and quick enough to avoid LBs/DL.

Marcus Alexander Cain Kaye II (Lv. 39 FB)
Ht/Wt: 6'1", 250lbs

Experience, Skill Points, and Cash
Money: $511222
Daily Salary: $4500
Skill Points: 1
Training Points: 0
Bonus Tokens: 3
Veteran Points: 0
Next Level: 856/1000

Attributes
Physical Attributes
Strength: 83.77
Speed: 51.67 (+16)
Agility: 82.77 (+11)
Jumping: 9
Stamina: 34.42
Vision: 29.42
Confidence: 28.08

Football Skills
Blocking: 29.11
Catching: 15.75
Tackling: 15.75
Throwing: 8
Carrying: 77.77
Kicking: 8
Punting: 8

Special Abilities
Blocking Abilities
Hands: 0
Lead Block: 0
Spot Blitz: 0
Strong Arm: 0
Pancake: 0

Offensive Abilities
Cover Up: 1
Sticky Hands: 1
Power Through: 1
Quick Cut: 1
Dive for Yardage: 1

Additional Abilities
Spin: 3
Veteran Abilities
Steady Grip: 6
Slippery: 10

This is my rough projection for his peak...

Marcus Alexander Cain Kaye II (Lv. 70 FB)
Age: 440

90.21 strength
90.52 carrying (84.21 Natural)
110.21 agility (81.21 Natural)
95.05 speed (75.05 Natural)
48.80 stamina
51.52 confidence
48.80 vision
25.00 jumping
19.38 catching
28.86 blocking

0-0-0-0-0 Blocking tree
3-5-9-5-1 Offensive tree
5 Spin (Archetype Custom SA)
8 Lower the Shoulder (Training system Custom SA) (30 BT)
8 Juke (Training system Custom SA) (60 BT)
+5 Spin SA (AEQ) (already have it) (96 more BT to fully upgrade)
+25% break tackle chance (AEQ) (already have it) (96 more BT to fully upgrade and 40 BT to add +3 attribute)
+25% fake chance (AEQ) (already have it) (216 more BT to fully upgrade and 40 BT to add +3 attribute)

15 Slippery
15 Quick Feet
15 Steady Grip
15 SYM

personally i think youre crazy going that high on agility.
i would sooner see the agility equipment split between strength and speed, but then i think we are trying to achieve different goals. judging by the fact youre going after a juke AEQ i can almost see why youre building like you are. even then, i still think for your guy equal speed and agility would be better.

Originally posted by bigg987
personally i think youre crazy going that high on agility.
i would sooner see the agility equipment split between strength and speed, but then i think we are trying to achieve different goals. judging by the fact youre going after a juke AEQ i can almost see why youre building like you are. even then, i still think for your guy equal speed and agility would be better.


People thought I was crazy for making an offensive FB back in the day too...

Not to say that this build will be successful or anything, but sometimes you have to keep ahead of the power curve. Pure power runners got nerfed with the +% changes, so while it can still be an effective build... you have to sacrifice much more to match the same level of success. Keep in mind that, not only was +% stacking nerfed, but people have also adjusted their builds.

Warlock--do you ever use "First Step" with your FBs?

Originally posted by Larry Roadgrader
Warlock--do you ever use "First Step" with your FBs?

No, too much of an investment to get it high enough to be worthwhile IMHO. FBs need too many things to sacrifice the SPs or the AEQ... I'd rather have +25% fake chance over +5 first step or take juke (with bought SAs) if I'm investing in quick feet for spin anyways.

Now I might take first step if I was planning to make a pure power runner, but then again... do I want to take +% break tackle 12.5% higher or do I want lower the shoulder (or surge). I mean, if I have 110+ strength and 90+ carrying, which of those is getting the most bang for my buck?

Everyone is so concerned with speed, but how often do we ever hit top speed in this game? Is sacrificing 5+ points of agility really worth pushing speed a couple points higher? Think about it, agility is something that gets used every single play, max speed is hardly ever seen in comparison. Both have their pros and cons though.

Originally posted by Warlock
No, too much of an investment to get it high enough to be worthwhile IMHO. FBs need too many things to sacrifice the SPs or the AEQ... I'd rather have +25% fake chance over +5 first step or take juke (with bought SAs) if I'm investing in quick feet for spin anyways.

Now I might take first step if I was planning to make a pure power runner, but then again... do I want to take +% break tackle 12.5% higher or do I want lower the shoulder (or surge). I mean, if I have 110+ strength and 90+ carrying, which of those is getting the most bang for my buck?

Everyone is so concerned with speed, but how often do we ever hit top speed in this game? Is sacrificing 5+ points of agility really worth pushing speed a couple points higher? Think about it, agility is something that gets used every single play, max speed is hardly ever seen in comparison. Both have their pros and cons though.


Thanks--I appreciate the feedback.

Originally posted by Warlock
No, too much of an investment to get it high enough to be worthwhile IMHO. FBs need too many things to sacrifice the SPs or the AEQ... I'd rather have +25% fake chance over +5 first step or take juke (with bought SAs) if I'm investing in quick feet for spin anyways.

Now I might take first step if I was planning to make a pure power runner, but then again... do I want to take +% break tackle 12.5% higher or do I want lower the shoulder (or surge). I mean, if I have 110+ strength and 90+ carrying, which of those is getting the most bang for my buck?

Everyone is so concerned with speed, but how often do we ever hit top speed in this game? Is sacrificing 5+ points of agility really worth pushing speed a couple points higher? Think about it, agility is something that gets used every single play, max speed is hardly ever seen in comparison. Both have their pros and cons though.

depends on the build TBH

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1167235 - he has 10 FS, but he is also going to end up a 140 speed (after level 72 upgrades), 91 agility build

Originally posted by Rage Kinard
depends on the build TBH

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1167235 - he has 10 FS, but he is also going to end up a 140 speed (after level 72 upgrades), 91 agility build



It always depends on the build, but he asked if I use it on my FBs... which you can clearly see my builds in this thread

I have never made a FB that relies solely on speed, I prefer being more well-rounded as it makes it harder for opponents to game-plan.

Originally posted by Warlock
It always depends on the build, but he asked if I use it on my FBs... which you can clearly see my builds in this thread

I have never made a FB that relies solely on speed, I prefer being more well-rounded as it makes it harder for opponents to game-plan.

High speed doesn't necessarily mean relying solely on speed. I wouldn't have 87 natural agility on my FB right now if I wanted to rely entirely on speed.

To me pumping up strength doesn't necessarily make as much sense the way Bort has the game coded. I would prefer to have 60 strength, high agility and speed, and play on super elusive. That way DvG doesn't fire for most LBs and slippery works the entire play as opposed to bruiser which only works for the first 8 yards. Having high speed, agility, first step, spin, quick feet, slippery, and break tackle % gear is a nice combo.

Originally posted by Rage Kinard
Having high speed, agility, first step, spin, quick feet, slippery, and break tackle % gear is a nice combo.

This is the route im going with my level 15 scat back FB, He will have 91 agility and 90 speed natural.

Here is his tentative end build (440 days old)

Player Build
Position: Scat FB
Level: 74

Attributes:

strength : 23
blocking : 19.71
speed : 90.01 <-------- +49'ish equip= 139.01
agility : 91.01 <--------- + 9 from AEQ = 100.01
jumping : 41.71
catching : 69.02
stamina : 49
carrying : 63.71
vision : 70.02
confidence : 62.71

Top SA Tree: | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
Bottom SA Tree: | 5 | 9 | 3 | 11 | 0 | <----- with custom and AEQ in QC
Scat Back | 10 |
First Step | 4 | <------------------------- | 10 | with AEQ
Spin | 4 | <-------------------------------- | 10 | with AEQ

Do you guys see anything that I should change around in this build?

Originally posted by joeyjojok
This is the route im going with my level 15 scat back FB, He will have 91 agility and 90 speed natural.

Here is his tentative end build (440 days old)

Player Build
Position: Scat FB
Level: 74

Attributes:

strength : 23
blocking : 19.71
speed : 90.01 <-------- +49'ish equip= 139.01
agility : 91.01 <--------- + 9 from AEQ = 100.01
jumping : 41.71
catching : 69.02
stamina : 49
carrying : 63.71
vision : 70.02
confidence : 62.71

Top SA Tree: | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
Bottom SA Tree: | 5 | 9 | 3 | 11 | 0 | <----- with custom and AEQ in QC
Scat Back | 10 |
First Step | 4 | <------------------------- | 10 | with AEQ
Spin | 4 | <-------------------------------- | 10 | with AEQ

Do you guys see anything that I should change around in this build?


STR is WAY too low.