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http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=3986641
here's the gist of it, 20 team or 15 team tournament depending on the agreed upon length of the tournament in which top teams from each league play each other each year, but stay in their home pro league. Then each year the top 2-4 teams in each league play each other determined by what's in this thread that is tl;tr

I love the idea but I don't think it will fly in GLB.

Yeh that's what I'm hearing, people are saying these 2 teams would always dominate their pro leagues and would kill competiiton

also it's stupid. the WL is pretty good. don't knock it because you're not good enough at glb to ever get there

Been to the WL, made the playoffs in the WL...meh. Not nearly all that it was cracked up to be. Up there either you have the dots or you don't. No getting by in finding the "holes". best teams there are major exploiters, both in build and tactics. Nothing against it, just not my cup o' tea. I personally prefer the tournaments but then again I hate the way teams promote/demote.

Tournaments suck when the league you're in is very difficult and you have to gameplan every game. Was way too much work to play in 1-2 tournaments and go through a rigorous regular season. Easier now considering Pro leagues are a joke and there are barely any worthwhile teams in each region but i wish pro leauges just weren't as shitty. I'd be much more in favor of consolidating the pro leagues. I could care less about "regional identity" when the regions are all shitholes. Hell, i'd rather them be called regions 1, 2, 3, 4 and just be full of competitive teams. Dissolving WL wouldn't solve that as there are still way too many teams calling themselves "Pro" nowadays


It's not just exploiting builds and tactics but being smart about builds and tactics. The build efficiency difference alone between WL and Pro is staggering for the most part and then most the WL teams have better coordinated VAs/AEQ not to mention mostly just better builds. There is always a few "it" things every season like zones a few seasons back, spin backs this season, and certain combinations of atts/SAs/VAs/AEQ on Dlineman that make them monsters but it's always like that. I can understand why not everyone wants to be that intense about it and wants to just have fun playing a football sim but that's why Pro/WL isn't for everyone but rather the people who are very competitive and want to be the very elite 16 out of the thousands of GLB teams


Why the tourney? No one cares about scrims and why should we have something where the top 5-10 WL teams just slaughter people? Even alpine/nurples/empire/parma would get dominated. Pro leagues are so terrible after the top 4 teams that it's silly to keep all these around. Everyone doesn't need to feel like a winner.

Originally posted by chronoaug
Tournaments suck when the league you're in is very difficult and you have to gameplan every game. Was way too much work to play in 1-2 tournaments and go through a rigorous regular season. Easier now considering Pro leagues are a joke and there are barely any worthwhile teams in each region but i wish pro leauges just weren't as shitty. I'd be much more in favor of consolidating the pro leagues. I could care less about "regional identity" when the regions are all shitholes. Hell, i'd rather them be called regions 1, 2, 3, 4 and just be full of competitive teams. Dissolving WL wouldn't solve that as there are still way too many teams calling themselves "Pro" nowadays


It's not just exploiting builds and tactics but being smart about builds and tactics. The build efficiency difference alone between WL and Pro is staggering for the most part and then most the WL teams have better coordinated VAs/AEQ not to mention mostly just better builds. There is always a few "it" things every season like zones a few seasons back, spin backs this season, and certain combinations of atts/SAs/VAs/AEQ on Dlineman that make them monsters but it's always like that. I can understand why not everyone wants to be that intense about it and wants to just have fun playing a football sim but that's why Pro/WL isn't for everyone but rather the people who are very competitive and want to be the very elite 16 out of the thousands of GLB teams


Why the tourney? No one cares about scrims and why should we have something where the top 5-10 WL teams just slaughter people? Even alpine/nurples/empire/parma would get dominated. Pro leagues are so terrible after the top 4 teams that it's silly to keep all these around. Everyone doesn't need to feel like a winner.

no love for Lux? They beat Parma and played the Nurps close

I disagree that only the top 4 teams in each Pro teams are good enough, WEPL has always had about 6-7 teams atleast able to compete, if not more.


The issue i see is by the time a team is able to get to world league, they have to dismantle the whole team because of players reaching too far into decline, and if you don't get an entirely new team put together in one season, your one and done...
There just needs to be an easier way for good owners to stay competitive better.

Theres no easy answer for it, i think one more season of plateau would help immensely, but other then that i don't have any ideas to fix the way this game works.

Too much relegation is killing competition, but relegation is the only answer they give most of us.

Consolidating Pro leagues might actually help also, i think cutting down to 6 leagues could do it, i wouldn't want to cut the leagues in half though. Still this only hides the issues that most teams can't stay up at Pro/World league long without starting over....
I love this game, but its slowly driving me away with the league structure is combined with the way player age limits are, not worth the expense. Just my view of things.

I really hope they come up with something to save the game, but since they are fishing through the forums looking for an answer, it leaves me to believe they have no idea how to change things for the better.

To be fair i'm not taking much of the regular season serious so i'm not sure who is ranked in what way. I know most the teams that are good enough haven't really been trying during the reg season and have mainly just been tweaking their OAI, DPC plays, qb progressions and editing packages and using the reg season to test. Does it matter that Empire beat alpine or that warsaw lost to alpine or bath beat legion? Not really as i'm sure they didn't really give it their all and will learn new things about the sim and their team come playoff time. They're good enough to slaughter the rest of the teams and get a top 4 spot anyways. Sad but that's how it goes. That's what is annoying and boring about pro. WL is definitely a rush. You have to be really good, recruit like crazy, and adjust very smartly to the sim in terms of VAs, AEQ, peak players' last boosts, and adjusting your OAI, progressions and DPC plays. Not to mention that you better be bringing some world class dots to the party because most the WL teams aren't just messing around for funsies. Like i said, everyone has a chance to compete, but i'll be the first to admit that many of those WL guys put in much more work/effort and more importantly, smarter work than I


Yea, i definitely think the player progession is stupid and was a of the moment kind of thing. Bort didn't know how decline would work back then, nor did he comprehend how slowbuilding is the only way to have an effective player. Really should take like 6-7seasons to peak and then 3plateau probably but i doubt it'll happen. Also think 6pro leagues should be the max. 8 is silly. So many teams don't belong even in Pro. They "earned" their way up because AAA is garbage and anyone can make it to the pros as long as you don't gut and have a team of normally leveled dots. Makes it really boring. Pro is something everyone should have the ability to obtain but shouldn't just be a right for someone who stays around long enough if they don't build good players

Originally posted by chronoaug
To be fair i'm not taking much of the regular season serious so i'm not sure who is ranked in what way. I know most the teams that are good enough haven't really been trying during the reg season and have mainly just been tweaking their OAI, DPC plays, qb progressions and editing packages and using the reg season to test. Does it matter that Empire beat alpine or that warsaw lost to alpine or bath beat legion? Not really as i'm sure they didn't really give it their all and will learn new things about the sim and their team come playoff time. They're good enough to slaughter the rest of the teams and get a top 4 spot anyways. Sad but that's how it goes. That's what is annoying and boring about pro. WL is definitely a rush. You have to be really good, recruit like crazy, and adjust very smartly to the sim in terms of VAs, AEQ, peak players' last boosts, and adjusting your OAI, progressions and DPC plays. Not to mention that you better be bringing some world class dots to the party because most the WL teams aren't just messing around for funsies. Like i said, everyone has a chance to compete, but i'll be the first to admit that many of those WL guys put in much more work/effort and more importantly, smarter work than I


Yea, i definitely think the player progession is stupid and was a of the moment kind of thing. Bort didn't know how decline would work back then, nor did he comprehend how slowbuilding is the only way to have an effective player. Really should take like 6-7seasons to peak and then 3plateau probably but i doubt it'll happen. Also think 6pro leagues should be the max. 8 is silly. So many teams don't belong even in Pro. They "earned" their way up because AAA is garbage and anyone can make it to the pros as long as you don't gut and have a team of normally leveled dots. Makes it really boring. Pro is something everyone should have the ability to obtain but shouldn't just be a right for someone who stays around long enough if they don't build good players

hey man i earned my spot in Pro i ain't givin that shit up lol.

Get a cup of coffee or a beer Chrono You sound angry today.

I do agree though that both the league system and the decline setup could be a great deal better. I do like the current length of the building period, but I think the plateau should be five seasons. Bort could take care of FP purchases by reducing the amount given back at retirement with 10% for every season the players is at the plateau.

When it comes to leagues I think a pure pyramid all through GLB would be the best solution. Like it is now the Pros aren't much of a challenge, and that is the same for every Pro league (In fact USAPL was a lot easier last season for us, than WEPL has been this season).

I think the biggest reason for the leagues being unbalanced is Bort though and how extremely sensitive the sim is to just minor differences in build quality. If a team is built 10% poorer than another team they will lose 99 out 100 games against them, while in real football the it would probably be 40 out of 100.

And often is not build quality either, its just which teams pick up on the "exploits" in the pre-season and get to run with that all season. Like %-AEQ, spin, zone, etc, etc. It should be possible to build a good dot using common sense in my opionion, but its just not the case.

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I also think that because it's so easy to get to Pros where you basically just need a full roster and not to gut for 10seasons, that the teams who make it up aren't prepared like the teams used to be. There's always a couple teams who promote who are really good but the others never really had to drastically alter their builds or tactics so come to Pro unprepared, struggle, then gut because they realize they don't have a shot which makes Pro leagues even worse.

Also, no one cares about scrims even ranked scrims. The "tournament of champions" was around pre WL but the teams in it didn't care, some didn't gameplan and would lose and still say "meh". Not fun


Cav= I'm off coffee, man. I had some bad coffee experiences the past week. Not to mention i had the worst hangover i've ever had a couple days ago. I think it might've been one of the unfiltered beers i drank being a bit bad because i only had 3 beers (equivalent of about 6 strength wise) over 4 hours so no reason for that.

I wonder if the falloff of competition that seems to be the hot-button issue right now can be blamed on so many teams starting over the last couple of seasons.

I mean, think about it: the glut of new players hit this game from late S1 thru S3... lifespan of a dot is 11 seasons... do the math and that's a HUGE chunk of dots that got retired S13-present.

I've always felt like the competition would get better. Will it be what it once was? Probably not. But better than it is now? Fo sho.

As negative as it sounds, I agree with a lot of what Chrono has to say.

Pro leagues are quickly going the way of AA and AAA....going weak.

In season 11, the Belfast Commandos went to WL from Alpha. Look at their season 11, there are a lot of close games, very few big wins. There just weren't a lot of lopsided games back then. The past couple seasons they have become more and more prevalent. I'm not talking about gut jobs either, I'm talking about 70-17 games.