How important is speed for a possession receiver? which attributes should be pumped first and how high?
Djinnt
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Agility->Vision->Catching->Jumping->Speed under the current system will be the most effective training route.
With the new training system (whenever it may be implemented) you will be able to choose your training patterns, but you will still want to raise majors first, and speed is a minor.
I still endorse taking speed to the third cap at least.
With the new training system (whenever it may be implemented) you will be able to choose your training patterns, but you will still want to raise majors first, and speed is a minor.
I still endorse taking speed to the third cap at least.
Djinnt
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Originally posted by hoyaboy1
Don't agree on vision needing to be nearly that high.
You are wrong.
Don't agree on vision needing to be nearly that high.
You are wrong.
hoyaboy1
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Originally posted by Djinnt
You are wrong.
Really? My WR is an extreme possession build, and is catching 75% of his targets in the World League. I've also been part of some of the best passing offenses in GLB. I'm not even close to an expert, but you need at least a little bit of evidence to convince me I'm wrong.
More than 2nd capped vision is especially unnecessary if you are doing speed 4th or 5th.
You are wrong.
Really? My WR is an extreme possession build, and is catching 75% of his targets in the World League. I've also been part of some of the best passing offenses in GLB. I'm not even close to an expert, but you need at least a little bit of evidence to convince me I'm wrong.
More than 2nd capped vision is especially unnecessary if you are doing speed 4th or 5th.
Edited by hoyaboy1 on Apr 21, 2010 20:04:23
Djinnt
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Originally posted by hoyaboy1
Really? My WR is an extreme possession build, and is catching 75% of his targets in the World League. I've also been part of some of the best passing offenses in GLB. I'm not even close to an expert, but you need at least a little bit of evidence to convince me I'm wrong.
More than 2nd capped vision is especially unnecessary if you are doing speed 4th or 5th.
Making a WR has nothing to do with necessity. Vision increases your ability to get open, be targeted and catch the ball. If you think raising other attributes is more important that's one thing, but vision for a possession archetype receiver is a major, and not raising majors before minors isn't an appropriate strategy for any build.
Furthermore, your WR was obviously made before archetypes came out. Different rules were in play.
Really? My WR is an extreme possession build, and is catching 75% of his targets in the World League. I've also been part of some of the best passing offenses in GLB. I'm not even close to an expert, but you need at least a little bit of evidence to convince me I'm wrong.
More than 2nd capped vision is especially unnecessary if you are doing speed 4th or 5th.
Making a WR has nothing to do with necessity. Vision increases your ability to get open, be targeted and catch the ball. If you think raising other attributes is more important that's one thing, but vision for a possession archetype receiver is a major, and not raising majors before minors isn't an appropriate strategy for any build.
Furthermore, your WR was obviously made before archetypes came out. Different rules were in play.
Edited by Djinnt on Apr 21, 2010 22:49:43
falcobiarmicus
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Agility > Catching > Speed > Vision > Jumping IMO. Speed is just too important to go any lower... but that's only a matter of opinion, I suppose.
Originally posted by Djinnt
...vision for a possession archetype receiver is a major, and not raising majors before minors isn't an appropriate strategy for any build.
I don't agree in this case (and probably only this case). The difference in ALGs between majors and minors for WRs is pretty small. 0.05 at most, scaling down to 0.028. The total difference in growth between individual majors and minors for a WR's entire career will only be about 3.4. Much of that comes during lower levels too, so actual difference between making speed your 3rd priority instead of a major will not be much at all (I'd guess 2-2.5 or so). I think if you use speed EQ the added value of those speed ALGs will outweigh the value of the larger ALGs on an unequipped major. Hope that makes sense.
Originally posted by Djinnt
...vision for a possession archetype receiver is a major, and not raising majors before minors isn't an appropriate strategy for any build.
I don't agree in this case (and probably only this case). The difference in ALGs between majors and minors for WRs is pretty small. 0.05 at most, scaling down to 0.028. The total difference in growth between individual majors and minors for a WR's entire career will only be about 3.4. Much of that comes during lower levels too, so actual difference between making speed your 3rd priority instead of a major will not be much at all (I'd guess 2-2.5 or so). I think if you use speed EQ the added value of those speed ALGs will outweigh the value of the larger ALGs on an unequipped major. Hope that makes sense.
Edited by falcobiarmicus on Apr 22, 2010 04:08:28
Djinnt
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Everyone replying to my post should note that I wasn't listing a priority for attributes, I was listing a training progression.
I'm not saying that agility should be your highest attribute, or that vision should be the second highest. I'm saying that due to current training patterns the easiest and best way to hit all of your majors before your minors is the one mentioned.
If I had to list the importance of the attributes for a possession receiver it would probably look something like this:
Catching>Agility>Speed>Jumping>Vision.
You would manipulate this final order into play by late build investment where necessary (post reaping of ALGs) as well as equipment apportionment.
As for falcobiarmicus' post, I suppose my flaw is being a perfectionist.
I'm not saying that agility should be your highest attribute, or that vision should be the second highest. I'm saying that due to current training patterns the easiest and best way to hit all of your majors before your minors is the one mentioned.
If I had to list the importance of the attributes for a possession receiver it would probably look something like this:
Catching>Agility>Speed>Jumping>Vision.
You would manipulate this final order into play by late build investment where necessary (post reaping of ALGs) as well as equipment apportionment.
As for falcobiarmicus' post, I suppose my flaw is being a perfectionist.
hoyaboy1
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If you are just arguing training, I don't necessarily disagree - I haven't actually looked much at the new WR archetypes. Seems like we agree that vision is the 5th most important attribute for a WR.
Djinnt
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Originally posted by hoyaboy1
If you are just arguing training, I don't necessarily disagree - I haven't actually looked much at the new WR archetypes. Seems like we agree that vision is the 5th most important attribute for a WR.
It's hard for me to make a judgment either way for vision vs jumping.
If you are just arguing training, I don't necessarily disagree - I haven't actually looked much at the new WR archetypes. Seems like we agree that vision is the 5th most important attribute for a WR.
It's hard for me to make a judgment either way for vision vs jumping.
Djinnt
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Originally posted by Jokerjoker
How high to take catching?
If you raise it third it should get to about 76-78 before eq. You could take it higher than that with equipment, and I'm not sure any increases would be a bad idea. For my possession receiver I might take it above 90.
How high to take catching?
If you raise it third it should get to about 76-78 before eq. You could take it higher than that with equipment, and I'm not sure any increases would be a bad idea. For my possession receiver I might take it above 90.
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Originally posted by Djinnt
As for falcobiarmicus' post, I suppose my flaw is being a perfectionist.
Even if you do say so yaself
As for falcobiarmicus' post, I suppose my flaw is being a perfectionist.
Even if you do say so yaself
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