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What is the best SA to choose for K/P?

Pretty meaningless, none of them are worth spending points in. Probably something like wrap-up/Diving tackle. Maybe First Step, Superior Vision could do something.

I was thinking FS or SV myself as well, but was hoping somebody else out there who's already tried them could chime in. Might offer some guidance...

I took Wrap-up Tackle. I really don't see adding to it for many seasons, though.

I went with Superior Vision

I'm not even going to bother choosing an archetype for my kicker. Not worth it.

Superior Vision is the only thing that even remotely can augment kicking mechanics.

Originally posted by stavro99
Superior Vision is the only thing that even remotely can augment kicking mechanics.

Read it's description again and you will think otherwise.

I was going to come on here and say the same thing about First Step. But it honestly doesn't matter which one you choose, most of us won't invest in the bonus SA anyway.

Yeah, avoiding fakes and reading the play doesn't seem to be helpful. Perhaps if it helps you avoid having a punt blocked? It doesn't say anything about any other area besides making tackles though. Still, I think that's the closest any of those will come to helping actual punting if it affects the vision attribute (which it probably doesn't). Perhaps having a great 'football sense' will help with the coffin corner, but probably not.

Yeah, I'm in full agreement that I wouldn't invest any points in it though, unless I see a real reason to do so.

once you have kickers and punters in the level 50+ range, is it then not a bad idea to go ahead and select an archetype?

current level up bonues:
kicking or punting and confidence +.42
strength, speed, agility, vision, throwing and jumping +.07

new archetype choice:
kicking or punting, confidence and either vision or strength +.28
agility, jumping and either vision or strength +.14

so since kicking or punting is usually over 100 naturally by these levels, is it a good idea to add onto agility, jumping, vision and strength more than you would normally?

I would choose First Step as my Bonus SA as people had previously reported good things with this as OOP AE before

SV only works on defense.... in other words not special teams and not useful for kickers/punters unless you plan on playing them OOP.

damn it, I have both a kicker, and a punter. I've been reading what a lot of people have to say about building them in these threads. I was hoping someone would say how good something was for the new archtypes, but instead I just get you guys saying what I think..... They suck for special abilities.


I wonder how good, or bad this would be for the kicker, on kickoffs?

Hang Time
A good punt hang time is important to reducing punt return distance. The Hang Time skill gives the P a bonus to kick velocity when kicking high angled kicks. This does not increase his accuracy, however.

This skill is very important to any team, but especially one whose offense cannot convert well on 3rd down and punts a lot.

Additional Levels:Increases the bonus to punt velocity on high-angle kicks.

I just don't like the fact it only talks about punts, and well you don't put anything into punting for your kicker.

Hang Time only affects punts, won't help a kicker at all. You are better off picking something else.