Warrior General Games

I could try and appear unbiased, but I'm not sure it would work...so why bother?

I'll stand up and say that I earnestly believe that curtishall06 and the Kansas City Gorillas got the shaft as part of the re-simming of their game.

By all indications there were two games that got re-simmed due to the server "hiccup" this afternoon.

One was between the SquareEnix All-Stars and the Renegade Nation. The score the first time the game was simmed...54-0 in favor of SquareEnix. How about the second go 'round...it was 49-3 still in favor of SquareEnix.

The other was the match-up of the Primates, the Saskatoon Silverbacks and the Kansas City Gorillas. The score the first time the game was simmed...51-35 in favor of Kansas City. How about the second go 'round...it was 23-22 in favor of Saskatoon.

The Silverbacks own OC/DC each alluded to their loss in separate posts...

http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=3812468&page=1#33802937
Originally posted by rellascout

I know who won.....


http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=3812468&page=2#33803619
Originally posted by rellascout

I am calling for a resim unless we actually won.... LOL


http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=3812468&page=2#33803190
Originally posted by ReMeDy

Shows up on our HB's link, but yea for some reason other players don't have theirs:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player_game_log.pl?player_id=828273 (damn, 3 fumbles. Would love to see how he got those...)


My question is this: How did one game that was re-simmed end up in a nearly identical score while the other changed so drastically?

The team that lost the first time could have gotten enough information from player links to see how the opposing team's offense was able to put up 51 points (i.e. did they run a boatload... qb running... massive pass attack... etc) and it's possible they could have made changes.

I doubt that's what it really comes down to. Looks like the gorillas took advantages of fumbles, and other turnover opportunities to give them field position and run up the score in the frist game, and in the second game they didn't have the same opportunities.

In retrospect, I wish I had the opportunity to change my gameplan and resim against arrowhead LOL
I ONLY can consider doing it since it was such an embarassment, I might have made adjustments to special teams. Irregardless, that's not ethical, and I would never actually do it. Good old Catholic guilt.

For what it's worth...take a look at these player pages:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=793609
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=828273
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=500296

They all currently show that they've played in 12 games, not 11 this season. (I have screenshots.) It would suggest that the data from the missing game is out there and recoverable somewhere, no?

We changed nothing.

I'm not sure the game would allow us to even if we wanted to. Once a sim starts, regardless of how long it takes to complete, I believe the DC, player tactics and AI are locked but I could be wrong. Seems I remember that from somewhere.

OP is in poor taste IMO.

KCG is a classy, tough squad and it's sad anyone had to lose that game. GL to KCG the rest of the way...very good chance we get to see them again anyway.

wild that there can be that big a difference in score----first I have heard of re-simming.

Originally posted by redrayder28

OP is in poor taste IMO.


Agreed.

I removed the part that sounded way to accusatory, sorry for an implication that you may have acted based on what was anticipated as the final outcome.

I meant no disrespect to Saskatoon, you - redrayder28, or your coordinators. You may be part of the new guys in CPL, but no doubt a talented and classy team.

I do see a point in Curtis' complaint. Look at the scores of the other game that got messed up (54-0, 49-3) versus the re-simming of your game (35-51, 23-22). It's hard to imagine that a game-plan would've worked so well and so poorly. Are we all at the mercy of the sim to that extent each game? I hope not, but fear so...

Originally posted by FLGator
Agreed.

I removed the part that sounded way to accusatory, sorry for an implication that you may have acted based on what was anticipated as the final outcome.

I meant no disrespect to Saskatoon, you - redrayder28, or your coordinators. You may be part of the new guys in CPL, but no doubt a talented and classy team.

I do see a point in Curtis' complaint. Look at the scores of the other game that got messed up (54-0, 49-3) versus the re-simming of your game (35-51, 23-22). It's hard to imagine that a game-plan would've worked so well and so poorly. Are we all at the mercy of the sim to that extent each game? I hope not, but fear so...

Turnovers can make or break any gameplan, and provide huge swings in a game featuring two relatively evenly matched teams.

I submit to you that the talent gap between SS and KCG is much smaller than that between SqEnix and their opponent, resulting in a much more variable outcome.

Also, many are operating under the flawed assumption that the data of the original sim (on a crashing server) was valid to begin with.

I do however, understand and feel bad for curtishall and his team. The doubt this scenario created must be a pain in the ass to deal with.

At any rate, we changed nothing about a game plan we felt very confident in and that's the last I'll say on the matter.

Originally posted by FLGator
Agreed.

I removed the part that sounded way to accusatory, sorry for an implication that you may have acted based on what was anticipated as the final outcome.

I meant no disrespect to Saskatoon, you - redrayder28, or your coordinators. You may be part of the new guys in CPL, but no doubt a talented and classy team.

I do see a point in Curtis' complaint. Look at the scores of the other game that got messed up (54-0, 49-3) versus the re-simming of your game (35-51, 23-22). It's hard to imagine that a game-plan would've worked so well and so poorly. Are we all at the mercy of the sim to that extent each game? I hope not, but fear so...
with such a swing in the turnover count, it should be expected IMO tbh DTD fwiw

i was only joking when i said to change your gameplan.i thought the AI was locked. Surprised you were able to do it

Originally posted by redrayder28
Also, many are operating under the flawed assumption that the data of the original sim (on a crashing server) was valid to begin with.

At any rate, we changed nothing about a game plan we felt very confident in and that's the last I'll say on the matter.

didn't consider that. good point.
very classy... thanks for not trying to change anything, I am a silverbacks fan for their honesty

I suppose a scrimmage is in order to settle things..

Im not saying you guys did anything wrong, its just stupid that it resimed when KC clearly won the first game. I have alerted support so you guys know, im sorry but we worked hard on todays game, and for it to resim after there is PLENTY of proof it simmed and was done. KC won that game (51-35)

Originally posted by CoachCoughlin
I suppose a scrimmage is in order to settle things..

I think it's a great idea. See if support would schedule a "scrimmage" for tomorrow at our normal sim time to replay the game in its entirety.

While many of us may be wrongly assuming that the data from the first sim was valid...this would be a legitimate way to clear up any questions.

Originally posted by curtishall06
Im not saying you guys did anything wrong, its just stupid that it resimed when KC clearly won the first game. I have alerted support so you guys know, im sorry but we worked hard on todays game, and for it to resim after there is PLENTY of proof it simmed and was done. KC won that game (51-35)

Do what you need to do brother.

The games that really matter will be here in about 12 days anyway.

Originally posted by CoachCoughlin
I suppose a scrimmage is in order to settle things..

Probably wouldn't settle anything. You'd have to set up a controlled series of sims (same DCs, Tactics, AI etc.) and run them all back to back to truly "settle" anything.

i call for a re sim of the Silverbacks/Roughriders game as well! lol