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CapnEnnui
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Just wondering if anyone had a clue about how powerful hard count is and how likely encroachments are now with the changes made. JTS was self-destructive too often last season and I was all set to reset it and get something else but now I'm not sure...

Anyways as soon as games start simming, post what you've seen of JTS this season. Don't want to reset it if it's suddenly good with little downside again.
 
Handcuffed
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It hasn't sucked for a couple of seasons now.

Season 14 is tbd until after a few games, though, like always.
 
wilhelm2012
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Bort said encrouchment was being reduced this season.
 
MustangLife
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JTS will still rock and my DE will probaly always have it. 10 in First Step with a fast/agile DE it makes it a killer combo
 
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If you had encroachment problems, it wasn't cause JtS sucked. It's because you had too much JtS/not enough vision.
 
CapnEnnui
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Well my guys aren't even level 40, so there's not much room for high vision. It certainly didn't suck out loud last season but there's not much a level 35 with 50 vision and 10 JTS can do against 15 hard count. It was 0 to 1 encroachments against most opponents but literally 10+ per game against 15 JTS. I've seen some games with literally 10 encroachments on one team already this preseason (in pro leagues), so I'm pretty wary.

I loved it in season 12 because it gave my low level line almost zero problems, but screw it if it makes hard count that useful again this season like it did in season 13. I don't think we'll see 15 hard count this preseason so there's no way for me to test my team/players, so I need to figure it out through the damn forums before my team ends up stuck either encroaching 10 times against hard count again or jumping way late because they reset a less risky JTS for something worse.

I'm leaning on keeping it for my pass rushers, but the last thing I want is to lose a game because we encroach 10 times in the playoffs. I can't think of a shittier way to lose dotball than 10 encroachment penalties due to a self-harming VA.
 
Rage Kinard
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Originally posted by CapnEnnui
Well my guys aren't even level 40, so there's not much room for high vision. It certainly didn't suck out loud last season but there's not much a level 35 with 50 vision and 10 JTS can do against 15 hard count.




That's the problem. You added JTS too early.

JTS should be one of the later VAs added, or even go from 0-15 in a seasonal VA change. I don't add it until vision is 2nd capped which isn't until after level 50.
 


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