HAs anyone ever taken First Step to 18-20 on a DE? Combined with 15 JTS and 68 vision how well did it work?
Edited by liamm1986 on Jan 6, 2010 20:03:03
TheInstantClassic
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Probably..But not any of that is helpfull..You only need 10 first step..No jump the snap..Not really worth it..The vision is right though..But it depends more on build..With a good agility build those would work just because of the build..Not the fs or jts
liamm1986
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Originally posted by TheInstantClassic
Probably..But not any of that is helpfull..You only need 10 first step..No jump the snap..Not really worth it..The vision is right though..But it depends more on build..With a good agility build those would work just because of the build..Not the fs or jts
OK thanks.
Just asking because I've got a +3 Speed, +1FS and a +2 Speed, +1FS on my speed based RDE and was wondering how high I should take FS. Now it'll let me save SP that I would have used on FS somewhere else!
Probably..But not any of that is helpfull..You only need 10 first step..No jump the snap..Not really worth it..The vision is right though..But it depends more on build..With a good agility build those would work just because of the build..Not the fs or jts
OK thanks.
Just asking because I've got a +3 Speed, +1FS and a +2 Speed, +1FS on my speed based RDE and was wondering how high I should take FS. Now it'll let me save SP that I would have used on FS somewhere else!
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I've had great success with high FS. 16 right now, but earlier when I had an endorsement it was 18. Combined with TV and SB both over 10, he's a force.
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Originally posted by sdspawn
I've had great success with high FS. 16 right now, but earlier when I had an endorsement it was 18. Combined with TV and SB both over 10, he's a force.
You don't need them over 10...You only get fractional boosts after 10.
I've had great success with high FS. 16 right now, but earlier when I had an endorsement it was 18. Combined with TV and SB both over 10, he's a force.
You don't need them over 10...You only get fractional boosts after 10.
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Originally posted by TheInstantClassic
You don't need them over 10...You only get fractional boosts after 10.
You don't know what the boost is, you really have no idea.
Quit spreading around false information, posed as fact.
You don't need them over 10...You only get fractional boosts after 10.
You don't know what the boost is, you really have no idea.
Quit spreading around false information, posed as fact.
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Originally posted by Bukowski
You don't know what the boost is, you really have no idea.
Quit spreading around false information, posed as fact.
So Bort specifically saying there's only fractional boosts after 10 is spreading lies... ? I guess he's lieing about his own game then ?
You don't know what the boost is, you really have no idea.
Quit spreading around false information, posed as fact.
So Bort specifically saying there's only fractional boosts after 10 is spreading lies... ? I guess he's lieing about his own game then ?
regoob2
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Originally posted by TheInstantClassic
So Bort specifically saying there's only fractional boosts after 10 is spreading lies... ? I guess he's lieing about his own game then ?
They're all fractional gains. He said diminished gains but still gains. No one knows the extent of it other than Bort.
So Bort specifically saying there's only fractional boosts after 10 is spreading lies... ? I guess he's lieing about his own game then ?
They're all fractional gains. He said diminished gains but still gains. No one knows the extent of it other than Bort.
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Originally posted by TheInstantClassic
Originally posted by Bukowski
You don't know what the boost is, you really have no idea.
Quit spreading around false information, posed as fact.
So Bort specifically saying there's only fractional boosts after 10 is spreading lies... ? I guess he's lieing about his own game then ?
Fractional is still a gain, and those gains, for me, have added up to a pretty darn good season.
Originally posted by Bukowski
You don't know what the boost is, you really have no idea.
Quit spreading around false information, posed as fact.
So Bort specifically saying there's only fractional boosts after 10 is spreading lies... ? I guess he's lieing about his own game then ?
Fractional is still a gain, and those gains, for me, have added up to a pretty darn good season.
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Originally posted by TheInstantClassic
So Bort specifically saying there's only fractional boosts after 10 is spreading lies... ? I guess he's lieing about his own game then ?
Yea I saw a build with 18 in FS that did pretty good in a pro league before world leagues were around.
So Bort specifically saying there's only fractional boosts after 10 is spreading lies... ? I guess he's lieing about his own game then ?
Yea I saw a build with 18 in FS that did pretty good in a pro league before world leagues were around.
TheInstantClassic
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Originally posted by direfire
Yea I saw a build with 18 in FS that did pretty good in a pro league before world leagues were around.
Yea, but doesn't mean that was directly related to him having 18 FS.
Yea I saw a build with 18 in FS that did pretty good in a pro league before world leagues were around.
Yea, but doesn't mean that was directly related to him having 18 FS.
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It seems silly to take it too high. First step basically causes you to get to the lineman faster, when the ball is snapped, before they are in position to block you. It's helpful, but you can only get that "first step" so fast.
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