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Hypothetical situation is hypothetical, of course, but it could happen.

Let's take a look at the Zeta conference standings, shall we?

1. Three Kingdom Warriors (14-1)
2. Bonn Dynamo (12-3)
3. New Jersey Blaze (11-4)
4. Machu Picchu Hidden Dragons (11-4)
5. Honolulu Hurricane Warriors (11-4)
6. Santiago Benitos (10-5)
Everyone else

Note the three bolded teams. Now, in this hypothetical situation, let's say that they all win their last game and end up 12-4, shall we? So, now we determine playoff seedings. Head-to-head, each of these teams beat one of the others and lost one of the others, so it's a rock-paper-scissors tie, meaning that the new tiebreaker is points scored. I think you see where this is going, right?

Rankings by points scored through week 15:
1. New Jersey Blaze - 618
2. Machu Picchu Hidden Dragons - 544
3. Honolulu Hurricane Warriors - 469

Looks legit, right? Only if you look at their games played, it's not. Not even close, in fact. MPHD had the pleasure of playing the Tasmania Tigers after they gutted, which meant that they threw up a whopping 177 points. HHW wasn't so lucky, they played Tasmania pre-gut and only managed to score 30. Had HHW played Tasmania post-gut, I'm fairly sure that they would have thrown up more than 30 points.

Take away the Tasmania game stats and you have the following rankings:
1. New Jersey Blaze - 548
2. Honolulu Hurricane Warriors - 439
3. Machu Picchu Hidden Dragons - 367

That, my friends, equates to Tasmania gutting costing HHW a potential home game in the first round. No matter how badly HHW might beat Manitoba, they aren't going to make up a 75-point deficit.

So the question I have to pose to you all is this: should Tasmania be reprimanded in this hypothetical situation for gutting mid-season and directly affecting the playoff seeding?

Answer: nope, Tasmania isn't CPL

No u!!



DMP

Points scored is a stupid second tiebreaker and this should have been corrected long ago given the long history of GLB lolgut games.

Yea, they should be but nothing is ever done about it.

some good investigative reporting there

Originally posted by sunshineduck
Hypothetical situation is hypothetical, of course, but it could happen.

Let's take a look at the Zeta conference standings, shall we?

1. Three Kingdom Warriors (14-1)
2. Bonn Dynamo (12-3)
3. New Jersey Blaze (11-4)
4. Machu Picchu Hidden Dragons (11-4)
5. Honolulu Hurricane Warriors (11-4)
6. Santiago Benitos (10-5)
Everyone else

Note the three bolded teams. Now, in this hypothetical situation, let's say that they all win their last game and end up 12-4, shall we? So, now we determine playoff seedings. Head-to-head, each of these teams beat one of the others and lost one of the others, so it's a rock-paper-scissors tie, meaning that the new tiebreaker is points scored. I think you see where this is going, right?

Rankings by points scored through week 15:
1. New Jersey Blaze - 618
2. Machu Picchu Hidden Dragons - 544
3. Honolulu Hurricane Warriors - 469

Looks legit, right? Only if you look at their games played, it's not. Not even close, in fact. MPHD had the pleasure of playing the Tasmania Tigers after they gutted, which meant that they threw up a whopping 177 points. HHW wasn't so lucky, they played Tasmania pre-gut and only managed to score 30. Had HHW played Tasmania post-gut, I'm fairly sure that they would have thrown up more than 30 points.

Take away the Tasmania game stats and you have the following rankings:
1. New Jersey Blaze - 548
2. Honolulu Hurricane Warriors - 439
3. Machu Picchu Hidden Dragons - 367

That, my friends, equates to Tasmania gutting costing HHW a potential home game in the first round. No matter how badly HHW might beat Manitoba, they aren't going to make up a 75-point deficit.

So the question I have to pose to you all is this: should Tasmania be reprimanded in this hypothetical situation for gutting mid-season and directly affecting the playoff seeding?

textbook example of collusion

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They deserve reprimand but unlike Hali they didn't collude with 1 team to throw up ridiculous stats they just plain ole quit mid season a completely different offense that needs to also be fixed somehow.

Originally posted by MBryer07
They deserve reprimand but unlike Hali they didn't collude with 1 team to throw up ridiculous stats they just plain ole quit mid season a completely different offense that needs to also be fixed somehow.

I believe the issue wasn't "collusion", which we've already established wasn't the real issue. The real issue was Haliblack supposedly disrespecting the game by fixing the stats. You're telling me that up and quitting in the middle of the season isn't a spit in the face of the rest of the WL teams?

Originally posted by sunshineduck
I believe the issue wasn't "collusion", which we've already established wasn't the real issue. The real issue was Haliblack supposedly disrespecting the game by fixing the stats. You're telling me that up and quitting in the middle of the season isn't a spit in the face of the rest of the WL teams?

v good point.

and The Real LT is a GM of both MPHD and Tasmania

open and shut case of collusion

My point is, if you're going to take away Haliblack stats for "colluding", you'd better take away any stats gained against Tasmania, plus take the points scored against them out of the points scored total for the tiebreaker. Or do away with the points scored tiebreaker altogether, it's no good.

It is but working having an active team that just puts everyone out of position to totally screw up 1 game is different than gutting mid season. Both are totally disrespectful. The active team doing it is worse however.

Both need to be fixed and stats in this game are worthless so tie breakers really should be changed from points scored. But throwing a game is more disrespectful than quitting out right imho.

I always thought it should have been point differential, not points scored. But that has the same problems. What do you propose as a better 2nd tiebreaker?

Originally posted by Gart888
I always thought it should have been point differential, not points scored. But that has the same problems. What do you propose as a better 2nd tiebreaker?

preseason record