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We're trying to develop a FB with intelligence for blocking (yes, it may be a stretch for Pee Wee, but we're trying). The FB in the play is a strength FB, but has adequate speed and agility to get to where he needs to be on this play -- engaging the LDE in the flat.

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What attribute do you think is the most important to develop next or what combination? Vision, blocking, more speed/agi? I'm leaning towards vision. He doesn't need to flatten the guy, just engage him briefly for the HB to clear and head for paydirt. Thanks for the input

That looks like a vis thing to me.

my .02

I was under the impression agility kicks in the speed also performs more lateral movement. (which could help FB get outside and recognize DE)
If I had to pick 1 it would be like you said vision.
If I could pick 2 I would go agility then vision.

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Originally posted by Dtownokie
my .02

I was under the impression agility kicks in the speed also performs more lateral movement. (which could help FB get outside and recognize DE)
If I had to pick 1 it would be like you said vision.
If I could pick 2 I would go agility then vision.

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I think this is the route we are going to go the rest of the season (return drills) and see what happens. I'm almost tempted to have him boost now and just dump 15 SP into vision while training agi/spd to see if it makes a difference. Like so many outside run plays, one block can make the difference from little to no gain (or a loss) to a big gain or the end zone. Thanks guys.

Keep the opinions coming. I'm curious to see what others think.

Originally posted by juiceweezl

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imo your FB did his job. it was your RT or TE that screwed that play up. the RT should have gone for the LO instead of double teaming the NT, or the TE should have gone for the LO instead of the MB. Your FB picked up the first player that was not blocked... seems he did right to me.

course the TE could have also just gone for the LE and let the FB take that LO... but either way, I dont think the fault was with the FB

You will find that as your vision increases, those lead blockers will run the lead blocker more often and spend less time trying to veer away from his primary focus.

Originally posted by slave1ilo
imo your FB did his job. it was your RT or TE that screwed that play up. the RT should have gone for the LO instead of double teaming the NT, or the TE should have gone for the LO instead of the MB. Your FB picked up the first player that was not blocked... seems he did right to me.

course the TE could have also just gone for the LE and let the FB take that LO... but either way, I dont think the fault was with the FB

Would agree if the play call wasn't for him to be outside with the HB. He just veered off. The guy he blocked had zero chance to get the ball carrier. The RT and TE are supposed to seal the edge there while anyone that gets outside it belongs to the FB. I think it's just going to have to take time to get enough vision.

Oh, and thanks, TT, for your input.

Originally posted by juiceweezl
Originally posted by slave1ilo

imo your FB did his job. it was your RT or TE that screwed that play up. the RT should have gone for the LO instead of double teaming the NT, or the TE should have gone for the LO instead of the MB. Your FB picked up the first player that was not blocked... seems he did right to me.

course the TE could have also just gone for the LE and let the FB take that LO... but either way, I dont think the fault was with the FB

Would agree if the play call wasn't for him to be outside with the HB. He just veered off. The guy he blocked had zero chance to get the ball carrier. The RT and TE are supposed to seal the edge there while anyone that gets outside it belongs to the FB. I think it's just going to have to take time to get enough vision.

Oh, and thanks, TT, for your input.

Oh, and I don't know why but when I set the running style to be the same on the HB/FB combination, they tend to follow better as well. Not sure if this is coded in or simply my imagination.

Interesting. We'll try that. It just drives me nuts to watch the replays and see that we need one guy blocked (the guy he should be blocking) on so many plays and they go for huge gains or 6. Thanks.

I think your players did well. It's actually the RG that gets pancakes, so the Tackle and TE slide down to get the 'most dangerous' men. The FB, given what happened in front of him, should have blocked the guy he did...that was the 'most dangerous man' who had the most direct route to kill the HB.

If your OL didn't get reverse pancaked, the FB will run out and get the correct man. I think he did what he did BECAUSE he passed a vision check.

Are we watching the same play? The LDE dropped back into the flats. My o-line pushed the D guys back. The TE ran right by the LOLB to hit the MLB. The LOLB had no chance to get to the HB in time. If the FB hits that LDE in the flats, it doesn't matter if the HB cuts inside or stays to the outside -- there is no one left to tackle him. The LOLB will not be able to cut him off even if left unblocked.

Originally posted by juiceweezl
Are we watching the same play? The LDE dropped back into the flats. My o-line pushed the D guys back. The TE ran right by the LOLB to hit the MLB. The LOLB had no chance to get to the HB in time. If the FB hits that LDE in the flats, it doesn't matter if the HB cuts inside or stays to the outside -- there is no one left to tackle him. The LOLB will not be able to cut him off even if left unblocked.



They did exactly the right thing... if this was a slam.

Originally posted by Time Trial
They did exactly the right thing... if this was a slam.

It was not. It was HB Sweep from the pro set. Watch the FB, he actually stutters a bit and then goes into the line. Actually, the TE should've moved a bit outside too. Oh well. I'm going to get the agents to work on vision for them. We'll see if they can get there in the future. Thanks.

Originally posted by juiceweezl
It was not. It was HB Sweep from the pro set. Watch the FB, he actually stutters a bit and then goes into the line. Actually, the TE should've moved a bit outside too. Oh well. I'm going to get the agents to work on vision for them. We'll see if they can get there in the future. Thanks.

Vision, definetaly, for your FB, TE and RT, before a player gets all strong and fast and agile, he has to know who he's supposed to block first, all that strength doesn't do him any good if he doesn't know what to do with it. Just my opinion, good luck!

For what it's worth... FB's and all blockers go to the closest uncovered defensive player in the direction of their assignment. As this FB went into action for the play, he went to block the closest guy the LO... The LE steps back to go into coverage and then reads run giving the appearance of him looping around the TE. The TE blocks down as the play is designed and picks up the MLB. It's not a vision issue... The FB needs to get play side faster so the target, the LE, is the closest uncovered guy to him ... this is a speed/agility thing... IMO...