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I plan on making a MLB after I retire my SS( http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=107569 ). My question is, why does it seem every LB is just an run stopping SS build(Force fumbles SS build)? Is everyone trying to keep up with the Meta of the current game or is because everyone expects the LBs to be "sideline to sideline" GLB players?

Why arent people dumping more into agility over speed and then less vision. 2nd capping vision seems like a waste points on a LB.

Originally posted by mogs01gt
2nd capping vision seems like a waste points on a LB.

It does? I can't agree on that at all.Vision does a variety of things for a MLB. Typically MLBs (irl) would be the most knowledgeable player on the front 7and would be the guy that the other players take cues from. While that's obviously not the case in GLB, it's still obvious to most of us that vision is pretty valuable.

People don't dump more points into agility than speed, because when you are in the open, agility beyond your speed doesn't do anything for you. The only time having agility much higher than speed is when you are engaged by a blocker.

Most MLBs aren't sideline to sideline, but they do at least need to be tackle to tackle, and they need to be able to meet a RB at the line of scrimmage, rather than 3 yards past it. Speed is required to do that.

LB seems to be safeties has everything to do with your perception and nothing to do with anything else. If you'd built a LB and not a safety, you wouldn't feel that way.

I've been looking at LB builds for a long time. People all tend to just build a high speed/agility LB than a pure run stopper. Its almost always identical builds to run stopping SS's. I've yet to see a replay of a LB actually needing 80+ speed. Unless the DC expects the OLB to run across the field to make the tackle. That is the safeties job though.

2nd lvl capping vision doesnt really help LB's because once you get that high, its more for INTs than for stopping run plays.

Originally posted by mogs01gt

2nd lvl capping vision doesnt really help LB's because once you get that high, its more for INTs than for stopping run plays.

I couldn't disagree more.... 2nd capped vision should be the minimum. My LB has over 100 TFL's in his career, because he gets a good jump off the snap and moves quickly once he sees the play. The vast majority of his TFL's came on running plays.

If you have low vision you'll get faked by elusive backs, you'll guess wrong on run vs. pass, you'll be out of position in coverage, you'll sit and read the play for too long to make an impact and when you do read the play and you'll take crap routes to the ball carrier. That's why most double soft cap it at least.

Agility>Speed for MLB imo.

Originally posted by Daddy Warbucks
Agility>Speed for MLB imo.
I agree!

would you guys agree that 60 vision is enough? I tend to believe 55-60 is enough for a LB.

Originally posted by mogs01gt
I've been looking at LB builds for a long time. People all tend to just build a high speed/agility LB than a pure run stopper. Its almost always identical builds to run stopping SS's. I've yet to see a replay of a LB actually needing 80+ speed. Unless the DC expects the OLB to run across the field to make the tackle. That is the safeties job though.

2nd lvl capping vision doesnt really help LB's because once you get that high, its more for INTs than for stopping run plays.

You must be looking at different LB builds than me. I see plenty of LBs that aren't simple speed/agility builds. "Pure run stopper" builds that I've seen simply haven't been effective. You can't make a tackle when you can't get close to the RB, period. I've never seen a case when more speed wouldn't help an OLB and I've definitely seen MLBs without enough speed. Not that 80 isn't a good number for a MLB. But you don't really want to use 20 points of eq in speed to get to 80. That's fairly inefficient and pointless if you're going to get natural strength and tackling to say 74.

Originally posted by mogs01gt

I agree!

would you guys agree that 60 vision is enough? I tend to believe 55-60 is enough for a LB.


I recently took my lvl 55 LOLB to the 68 cap on Vision (as well as investing in Football Genius) and it has worked wonders for him. Just my experience I guess.

MLB needs to be able to slip through the gaps and be the first to the point of attack in this game.
It's easier to build a play in the DPC to make use of a faster MLB than it is to make use of a slow/high agility build.

Basically you want your MLB in space. You want him to get behind the fullback and ahead of the HB on pitches through the gaps. If he doesn't have at least 90-100 speed, it aint happening.

The slow MLB has to be lined up close to the line to engage blockers quicker, then you have to hope for the best. If the MLB can't blow up a run play from the start on a consistent basis he is useless. Speed helps them do that.

Having a slower MLB is fine. But you can't make good use out of him like a Fast one. If you have 80 speed you would need at least 100 agility and high str to be effective. Might as well be 100 speed 80 agility, so you can get in the gaps and disrupt rushing plays in the back field.

Yes... MLB's with vision suck. (http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1330593 )

On a side note, I completely agree with Darren on the point of MLB's needing vision. MLB's rely a LOT on vision and I think people ignoring it till later is a HUGE mistake. Vision plays a lot of roles for a LB and being able to notice a play and react to it quickly can be the difference between a 2 yard loss and a 10+ yard gain.

For me a MLB needs a lot of vision, a lot of agility and a decent amount of speed. They need a sizable amount of tackling, above average strength.. and anything else is well a bonus.

Is this MLB done right?
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1111890

Originally posted by UnderDogs
MLB needs to be able to slip through the gaps and be the first to the point of attack in this game.
It's easier to build a play in the DPC to make use of a faster MLB than it is to make use of a slow/high agility build.

Basically you want your MLB in space. You want him to get behind the fullback and ahead of the HB on pitches through the gaps. If he doesn't have at least 90-100 speed, it aint happening.

The slow MLB has to be lined up close to the line to engage blockers quicker, then you have to hope for the best. If the MLB can't blow up a run play from the start on a consistent basis he is useless. Speed helps them do that.

Having a slower MLB is fine. But you can't make good use out of him like a Fast one. If you have 80 speed you would need at least 100 agility and high str to be effective. Might as well be 100 speed 80 agility, so you can get in the gaps and disrupt rushing plays in the back field.

I never meant a slow MLB when I said agi>speed.
I'm an advocate of 1:1 for everyone except LOLB because they do coverage on faster players and cover more of the field.
For MLB I could see a build like 95/85 being excellent (that's agi/spd)

Originally posted by Roughneck
Is this MLB done right?
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1111890

depends what his naturals in str/spd/agi are.

Let's say you built a LB to third cap str/spd/agi, by level 40ish he'd have 72/69/74 str/spd/agi if you went agi/str/spd in order. +30 points of EQ to 82/79/84. By level 48 you soft cap tackling and vision, add in eq, you'd be something like 84/80/85, you could also train up speed or possibly strength to the 4th cap by level 50 so... 85/81/85 with about 50 in tackling and vision. Is that enough to take on level 50 FBs and guards? Maybe. If you knew you were going to be doing that exclusively, you could invest in shed blocks or break blocks AEQ.

As far as putting off vision for later, I think it's ok for one reason, that is you can take it to 68 and maybe put some points in football genius, 70ish vision is generally enough for most LBs, more is better, but it would have to come at the expense of agility.