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Bort said for sure there will be a World League in Season 11.

Thoughts? Everyone is thinking most likely it will be the best 4 teams from each region...since it's the politically correct thing to do. That's the most likely course for Bort to take. If that would result in the best competition in the world is questionable though. You could definitely make a case for more USA teams.

I think the first season it'd have to be 4 from each. After that though, i don't think it needs to be mandatory 4 teams from each region and the bottom teams should be relegated regardless

I think the PWT takes care of what people wanted out of a World League. Now it'll just cause constant cycling up and down of teams, with good pro teams from the lesser leagues getting their asses handed to them for seasons at a time.

Originally posted by chronoaug
I think the first season it'd have to be 4 from each. After that though, i don't think it needs to be mandatory 4 teams from each region and the bottom teams should be relegated regardless

...relegated where? What happens when the USA Pro teams all make the playoffs and none of the OPL teams do? Do you relegate the OPL teams back to OPL and replace them with 4 new OPL teams that can't hang, or do you relegate them to USA Pro and put more USA Pro teams into the WPL?

Teams are not going to be happy if they end up swapping regions as a result of being destroyed in the World League for one season. Nor should they be happy.

But if that doesn't happen, the 'World League' will be a sham, not a true gathering of the top teams

I like the idea of the World League.

I think Bort needs to initially do everything in his power to get the actual best 32 in GLB. I do not care if it is 12 teams from USA, just get the best 32.

He can obviously take the top 2 from each region, but then maybe go off of the GLB ranking system as voted. This would establish the initial 32.

For every season after, I think if you do not earn a playoff spot, you go back down. So every season 16 teams will go down, and 16 will rise up. 2 from each region.

I don't think that's an acceptable solution. The different Pro leagues have strongly different identities, and that's a GOOD thing for the game. Can you imagine fighting your way to the top of SAPL, getting promoted to the world league, then getting relegated to.... the CPL? I mean I know there's people that like the whole 'loldots' thing but most people don't seem to. I know plenty of folks besides me who won't sign players there because of their forums. Others feel the same way about other regions for different reasons.

That's not the way winning teams should be treated. The WPL should be a reward, not a potential punishment.

Originally posted by sckbleh
I don't think that's an acceptable solution. The different Pro leagues have strongly different identities, and that's a GOOD thing for the game. Can you imagine fighting your way to the top of SAPL, getting promoted to the world league, then getting relegated to.... the CPL? I mean I know there's people that like the whole 'loldots' thing but most people don't seem to. I know plenty of folks besides me who won't sign players there because of their forums. Others feel the same way about other regions for different reasons.

That's not the way winning teams should be treated. The WPL should be a reward, not a potential punishment.

Well you could always move them to their region, but there may be seasons where the AAA champs or champ loser will not be able to be promoted.

You'd have to relegate an extra OPL pro team

The bottom line is at least 12 of the top 32 teams in GLB are in USA PRO...Plain and Simple. If Bort were to Pull this many teams out it would do two things. 1. Piss of every other (inferior) League. 2. Destroy the Prestige of USA PRO.

So here is the question to all of us, what is more important. Putting the best 32 teams in the World League OR Keeping USA PRO as the best league, FAR AND AWAY, in GLB.

just have 8 conferences of 4 teams in the world league - one for each region. Then you can have the schedule set up like the NFL (play each team in your conference twice, then each team from 2 other conferences, then 2 at large game based on prior season's record). the bottom two teams in each conference get demoted.


It will be rough for a little bit for teams from SEA, OPL, etc., but over time it will balance out...

OK so lets say that we start the first season with 4 teams from each Pro league, filling the extra holes in the pro leagues with extra promotions, etc. down the chain.... then after the season, keep all playoff teams in the WPL and relegate everyone else. This results in, say, the following distribution of teams (non-playoff WPL teams) being relegated:

2 APL
3 EEPL
3 WEPL
0 USAPL
2 CPL
0 SAPL
3 OPL
3 SEAPL

APL and CPL are simple, you relegate the two teams that came from there back there and take the champions.
USAPL and SAPL , you take the top two teams and promote them. The extra promotion continues down through the tree, leaving a gap of two empty slots at the AA level which are filled from the minors just like they were CPU spots.

EEPL, WEPL, OPL, SEAPL: promote the top two teams from each of these regions, just like from the other leagues. But stick the extra teams from the WPL back where they came from, and as a result RELEGATION FROM these pro leagues is increased appropriately. Instead of sending down 4 teams they'd send down 5. The excess relegation would have to continue on a path down through the AA level, where one extra team would be sent into the minors system without a replacement coming up. At that point (if not at every level) we're not talking about demoting an extra human team, there's already CPU teams disappearing so it's just a matter of promoting one fewer team from the minors.

This is the only way I see it working and not pissing everyone off.

The only potential downside is that it might not always be truly the 'best 32 teams', as the promoted teams from weaker leagues might kinda suck compared to the 3rd-4th best teams in USAPL and SLAP who don't get into the WPL. But you can argue that's good for the game too -- the top teams need a few easier games as breaks in gameplanning so that they can play in a tournament or two without completely burning out. I'm not convinced that having the true 32 best teams in a league is the best thing for the game, as those teams might reduce their tournament participation and/or burn out / gut more frequently.

Yeah I see it as either going down 1 of 2 ways:
1) 4 from each region...and it ends up being a semi-World league with a LIMITED number of the best teams from each region where some regions are a lot weaker
2) A majority from USA Pro, but then some teams get screwed if they make it up and end up later being demoted to CPL or something

That's why I think it's better we don't even have one.

It would also kill all the great competition we have here by taking a good chunk of our best teams. The part I like most about this league is playing the best. If you want to play the best from other regions, you will probably get invited to the PWT if you deserve it.

I just see it as unnecessary.

You haven't thought it through, Sik. If they give each league equal # of "seats" in the WPL, then all the top teams/talent will spread out amongst the regions. Yes, for a couple seasons, it'll be the former USAPL + the best beating up on several weak teams.

The spread out will happen, though. What's the #5 team in USAPL best path to the WPL?

OPL or EEPL.

I don't think the talent would spread out faster than the teams would get frustrated and gut.