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eholling
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Assuming that everything else is where you want it to be (Strength, Agility, Speed, Tackling), what's the general opinion as to the importance of Confidence on a high Agility Pass Rushing DT? Is it worth the points to get it to 60? Would it be more valuable to get Vision to 68 and leave confidence at 48?

Just trying to get some opinions here.

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eholling
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Another option for this guy would be to leave confidence at 48 and vision at 60 and put more focus on SAs. Does anyone think Shed blocks above 11 has value? or what about Glare?

Also, there used to be a lot of talk about getting blocking to 20 or 30 for DLine once your primaries and secondaries were taken care of....
 
wvu_law_dawg
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In my own inexperienced personal opinion I'd leave confidence at 48, but thats just me.
 
eholling
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Originally posted by wvu_law_dawg
In my own inexperienced personal opinion I'd leave confidence at 48, but thats just me.


I'm leaning that way. The only reason I was thinking about increasing it is because it seems to factor in every rating bar.... makes you wonder if there's a confidence component to tackling or forcing fumbles.
 
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rating bars do not equal performance.
 
Underdawg08
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Originally posted by eholling
Assuming that everything else is where you want it to be (Strength, Agility, Speed, Tackling), what's the general opinion as to the importance of Confidence on a high Agility Pass Rushing DT? Is it worth the points to get it to 60? Would it be more valuable to get Vision to 68 and leave confidence at 48?

Just trying to get some opinions here.

Thanks


Agility pass rush D.t's order of important
Agility
str
speed
vision
shed block
stamina
confidence
tackling- this doesn't really matter to a pass rushing d.t. but you still need it to be useful on other plays.
Edited by UnderDogs on Jun 15, 2009 19:35:23
 
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Originally posted by UnderDogs
Originally posted by eholling

Assuming that everything else is where you want it to be (Strength, Agility, Speed, Tackling), what's the general opinion as to the importance of Confidence on a high Agility Pass Rushing DT? Is it worth the points to get it to 60? Would it be more valuable to get Vision to 68 and leave confidence at 48?

Just trying to get some opinions here.

Thanks


Agility pass rush D.t's order of important
Agility
str
speed
vision
shed block
stamina
confidence
tackling- this doesn't really matter to a pass rushing d.t. but you still need it to be useful on other plays.


tackling doesn't matter???? lol
 
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Originally posted by jsu4578m


tackling doesn't matter???? lol


not as much as you might think for a pass rusher, my level 53 DT has 54 tackling, my level 43 DT has 44 tackling, both rarely miss a tackle.
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eholling
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Originally posted by Madd_Maxx
Originally posted by jsu4578m



tackling doesn't matter???? lol


not as much as you might think for a pass rusher, my level 53 DT has 54 tackling, my level 43 DT has 44 tackling, both rarely miss a tackle.


I agree with this as well. Tackling doesn't seem to matter as much to a DT who makes first contact in the back field or not at all. I'm curious if a higher tackling will improve tackle quality and help force fumbles but I'm testing that on a couple of other players.

The consensus I appear to be seeing on this thread is that confidence is not considered a stat worth taking past the first cap and vision may or may not be worth taking to the third cap.

Thanks for the feedback.
 
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Higher tackling was supose to improve tackle radius, sort of like how catching increases which balls a WR/DB can get too... or so I thought.
 
eholling
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Originally posted by Slava1351
Higher tackling was supose to improve tackle radius, sort of like how catching increases which balls a WR/DB can get too... or so I thought.


I thought jumping was radius, tackling was quality...
 
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I have never seen a serious D-lineman go to 60 confidence...but that doesn't mean it's a bad idea.
 
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Originally posted by eholling
Originally posted by Madd_Maxx

Originally posted by jsu4578m




tackling doesn't matter???? lol


not as much as you might think for a pass rusher, my level 53 DT has 54 tackling, my level 43 DT has 44 tackling, both rarely miss a tackle.


I agree with this as well. Tackling doesn't seem to matter as much to a DT who makes first contact in the back field or not at all. I'm curious if a higher tackling will improve tackle quality and help force fumbles but I'm testing that on a couple of other players.

The consensus I appear to be seeing on this thread is that confidence is not considered a stat worth taking past the first cap and vision may or may not be worth taking to the third cap.

Thanks for the feedback.


I gotta tell ya all it took was capping vision and stamina and my guy went nuts. after str speed agility and shed blocks were really high.

I admit I was against vision for d-linemen for a while. That's my fault. But it definitely helps. Probably even more so this season. Stamina is just nutritious. if 110 agility is a 350 stamina is it's pistons.
Edited by UnderDogs on Jun 16, 2009 04:11:36
 
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have you been drinking the wrong koolaid? Pistons what?

I question how you can have enough speed, strength, agility, and SAs while contemplating 60 confidence and vision unless you're level 60.
 
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my issue with my future DT plans is how high to take vis/stam/confidence and when. if my build pans out the way i'm planning, str/agi/speed/tck should all be where i want them by 40 or so...but that doesn't leave a ton of room for vis/stam/conf and SAs.
 
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