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So here are my attributes for a lvl 16 Pass Rushing DT...

Attributes
Physical Attributes
Strength: 60.04
Speed: 22
Agility: 90.04 (72.04 Base)
Jumping: 9
Stamina: 25
Vision: 13
Confidence: 13

Football Skills
Blocking: 13
Catching: 9
Tackling: 27.04
Throwing: 8
Carrying: 8
Kicking: 8
Punting: 8

Special Abilities
Pass Rusher Abilities (ALL FROM EQUIPMENT)
The Glare: 1
Shed Blocks: 1
Swat Ball: 1
Strong Base: 1
Big Sack: 1

Run Stuffer Abilities
Wall: 0
Break Through: 0
Snarl: 0
Big Hit: 0
D-Line General: 0

Right now, I am training Speed/Stamina and will then switch to tackling/jumping or vision/confidence. I will bring Strength to 61. Should I bring it all the way to 68 now or start working on Speed? Any quick tips to guide me along the way?

Strength to 68 - IMO

Originally posted by Rage Kinard
Strength to 68 - IMO

absolutely, no doubt

Originally posted by Rage Kinard
Strength to 68 - IMO

disagree. Speed.

Originally posted by bovineblitzkrieg
Originally posted by Rage Kinard

Strength to 68 - IMO

disagree. Speed.

Can get speed up after strength. Why not take advantage of the natural level gains of getting strength up now? You can still get speed up higher than strength later.

Originally posted by bovineblitzkrieg
Originally posted by Rage Kinard

Strength to 68 - IMO

disagree. Speed.

DTs with anything less than 70 strength are getting pancaked to hell. might as well get it up there right away and let level gains help you out the rest of the way

Originally posted by PsychoMan001

DTs with anything less than 70 strength are getting pancaked to hell. might as well get it up there right away and let level gains help you out the rest of the way

Mine aren't. Not sure why the consensus is that everyone else's are.

Speed is more important for a good pass rusher. IMO its more valuable to up speed first.

Given the OPs build tho, he should train speed up to 30 or so before adding SPs, so I guess str makes sense, there's nothing else to do. I'd consider stocking up on SPs if the team's not in a super competitive division tho.

Originally posted by bovineblitzkrieg
Originally posted by PsychoMan001


DTs with anything less than 70 strength are getting pancaked to hell. might as well get it up there right away and let level gains help you out the rest of the way

Mine aren't. Not sure why the consensus is that everyone else's are.

Speed is more important for a good pass rusher. IMO its more valuable to up speed first.

Given the OPs build tho, he should train speed up to 30 or so before adding SPs, so I guess str makes sense, there's nothing else to do. I'd consider stocking up on SPs if the team's not in a super competitive division tho.

My 34 DT with 105 agility, 67 speed, 78 strength is doing better than my level 52 DT with 112 agility, 72 speed, and 73 strength, and they have played against similar leveled opponents.

Plus, speed gets virtually no auto level sp gains. If you get speed to 68 at level 30 it will barely be more than 69 at level 40 if you don't assign any more sp there. If you get strength to 68 by level 30, then it will be 71.6 at level 40 without assigning any more sp there.

Originally posted by Rage Kinard
Originally posted by bovineblitzkrieg

Originally posted by PsychoMan001



DTs with anything less than 70 strength are getting pancaked to hell. might as well get it up there right away and let level gains help you out the rest of the way

Mine aren't. Not sure why the consensus is that everyone else's are.

Speed is more important for a good pass rusher. IMO its more valuable to up speed first.

Given the OPs build tho, he should train speed up to 30 or so before adding SPs, so I guess str makes sense, there's nothing else to do. I'd consider stocking up on SPs if the team's not in a super competitive division tho.

My 34 DT with 105 agility, 67 speed, 78 strength is doing better than my level 52 DT with 112 agility, 72 speed, and 73 strength, and they have played against similar leveled opponents.

Plus, speed gets virtually no auto level sp gains. If you get speed to 68 at level 30 it will barely be more than 69 at level 40 if you don't assign any more sp there. If you get strength to 68 by level 30, then it will be 71.6 at level 40 without assigning any more sp there.



You seriously expect us to believe that 5 strength, at those numbers, makes that much of a difference?

There is obviously something else in play, whether it's SAs/VAs of yourself, teammates, opponents, or it's stamina, confidence, vision, or some other random stat that (as of yet) has not been noticed as beneficial, yet apparently is quite helpful, etc.

There just isn't enough of a gap in any of the numbers shown for there to be a significant difference.. only way to explain it would be if Bort put the cap itself into the sim instead of the value.. at least once you got to the higher numbers.. and I can kind of see that as a possibility, to dissuade people from going gung-ho in one stat (perhaps an early season fix that was never redone) or it could be the diminished returns...

But either way, there just has to be some other factor that you aren't showing us.

As for the DT in the first thread, train vision and confidence while putting your points into speed. Strength is fine, at least for now, for a speed rusher. Get that vision up so that you get off the line quicker, get the confidence up to keep your morale high, etc... also train stamina periodically to keep yourself fit and trim, playing at a high level.

Originally posted by HeadlesssKES


You seriously expect us to believe that 5 strength, at those numbers, makes that much of a difference?



I said better, I didn't say mind shatteringly better. Actually, the 52 is doing better when I look at all around performance, I guess it's just my expectations which makes me feel he is doing worse.

34
21 tackles, 8 tackles for loss, 7 sacks, 13 hurries, 1 FF

52
20 tackles, 8 tackles for loss, 5 sacks, 33 hurries, 3 FF, 2 PD

Still considering that the 52 has 11 more stamina, 20 more vision, 20 more confidence, 25 more tackling, higher SAs, and 26 more VA points - I would say I would take 5 points of strength over 5 points of speed if both are very high.

The 34 does have 3 blitz AEQ, which may help him get sack when he gets off the block where the 52 doesn't have the extra boost to get there, but I wouldn't think that the blitz more than makes up for the speed/agility difference.

To support Rage's idea some, my DT seemed to do much better against the run when I moved my DT's str up to 78 to start this season. The change in pass rush was negligible.

Yes beleive him. Even 1 point of str makes a difference for D.T's An ideal D.T. would love to sport 90 str 75 speed and 100 agility.
Str helps tremendously with the pass rush as well as stopping the run.

Originally posted by bovineblitzkrieg
Originally posted by PsychoMan001


DTs with anything less than 70 strength are getting pancaked to hell. might as well get it up there right away and let level gains help you out the rest of the way

Mine aren't. Not sure why the consensus is that everyone else's are.

Speed is more important for a good pass rusher. IMO its more valuable to up speed first.

Given the OPs build tho, he should train speed up to 30 or so before adding SPs, so I guess str makes sense, there's nothing else to do. I'd consider stocking up on SPs if the team's not in a super competitive division tho.

i've heard a lot of people saying this, and my DT is a perfect example

Originally posted by PsychoMan001
Originally posted by bovineblitzkrieg

Originally posted by PsychoMan001



DTs with anything less than 70 strength are getting pancaked to hell. might as well get it up there right away and let level gains help you out the rest of the way

Mine aren't. Not sure why the consensus is that everyone else's are.

Speed is more important for a good pass rusher. IMO its more valuable to up speed first.

Given the OPs build tho, he should train speed up to 30 or so before adding SPs, so I guess str makes sense, there's nothing else to do. I'd consider stocking up on SPs if the team's not in a super competitive division tho.

i've heard a lot of people saying this, and my DT is a perfect example

Yeah but I can't think of a single reason why you would work on speed before you got str and agility up to 74 at the least.

Originally posted by bovineblitzkrieg
Originally posted by PsychoMan001


DTs with anything less than 70 strength are getting pancaked to hell. might as well get it up there right away and let level gains help you out the rest of the way

Mine aren't. Not sure why the consensus is that everyone else's are.

I was not aware DTs were having this problem, especially lower levels, lower leagues. DE pancakes are more glaring issue, imo. Still.... I was curious and looked at your guy's stats.

Regarding Seiji Ogawa, what did you do to stop the preseason bleeding against same conference competition? I count 29 pancakes!