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here are the results from the Super Elusive game. The team we played was equal to us in the scouting bars, but we only have 1 O-lineman per position, and our backups are CPU players. I was surprised we won, let alone our HBs had a respectable YPC average...we don;t even have a FB.

SUPER ELUSIVE:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=551697
Player of the game, same YPC average as the other HB (other HB had a 23 yard run and was less consistent), but he made his money on receptions.

Only 20 touches, but there are ZERO unnecessary cuts at the end of runs. Still don't have vision to the cap, and i am thinking that if bort programmed anything, 70 is the number where things would start to happen.

Receptions:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=551697&pbp_id=2693844
^^Had the LB fakes, but didn't burst right after the cut. Notice he is moving forward more than just stopping and trying to fake.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=551697&pbp_id=2693914
^^can hardly see the fake but the SS got duped. Maybe vision helps with keeping the back to not slow down as he runs when making fakes.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=551697&pbp_id=2694137
^^faked the LB, but the CB came from behind.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=551697&pbp_id=2694164
^^ faked the LB twice, but he recovered well.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=551697&pbp_id=2700241
^^ just when you think he is going to run OOB, he cuts back in and makes a fake, too bad the recovery was quick.

Runs:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=551697&pbp_id=2694369
^^ no elusivity here, but a 9,5 yard gain. he just took the best path to get the most yards.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=551697&pbp_id=2702018
^^ Same stuff, at least there was a couple fakes at the end to squeeze out an extra couple yards.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=551697&pbp_id=2702610
^^ We need more O-linemen, anyone have one?
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=551697&pbp_id=2702740
^^ Still trying to figure out how this one happened. Not even powerbacks do this.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=551697&pbp_id=2702831
^^ nowhere to go, but it could have been a lot worse


Returns:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=551697&pbp_id=2694521
^^Shameful
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=551697&pbp_id=2700086
^^ OK, this is getting to be Re-god-damn-diculous
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=551697&pbp_id=2695284
At least he looked elusive here. Seems like he drew the ST player (that ended up tackling him) in to a blocker then tried to cut outside.

RULING:
Without actually getting to 68, its hard to tell. but from what is shown here, the HB runs like a power back (straight line if there is open space) and fakes guys a lot. No unnecessary fakes at the end of runs, and it looks like the fakes happen later as the guy gets closer (doesn't get scared and stop running with a defender 5-10 yards away).

think there is promise still, but the new season changes have seemed to curtailed how far from side to side the HB will run. If other people still have that problem on SE, and they have low vision, it will prove that high vision helps with running on SE.

He needs more burst after the fakes...anyone know what helps with that? I only have 3 first step, but i was told that it doesn't activate when cutting back away from a defender.

--Dan

This is what happens when you run on SE with 35 vision:

Here's vision @ 35 on SE, lvl 36 HB, against a stout D
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=550832&pbp_id=2440554
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=550832&pbp_id=2443572

Notice the DIP he takes away from defenders. My HB stays on path and goes for positive yards and doesn't freak out when the defenders get close.

Not knocking your player, but i think i just found out what high vision does. Also, am not saying my HB will win any rushing records, but I will say that he can average over 100 yards per game on 12-15 touches (passes and runs).


RULING:
SE is nerfed for the outside runs unless you have high vision. but you can use the slider and tune it in for your HB and get great results. So its not necessary to have a great HB, but is necessary to have a consistent HB on SE.

One more thing, it helps with receiving obviously. the transition from catching to running . my Hb only has 23 catching. Only 1 drop that game. Also helps in the return game. So if your elusive HB catches passes a lot and is a return man, its definitely worth it.

--Dan

Originally posted by cptafw163
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=551697&pbp_id=2702740
^^ Still trying to figure out how this one happened. Not even powerbacks do this.

I think he got up and walked over the players, rather than running around them

So, are you going to be keeping him on super-elusive for the rest of the season? I will be running my elusive back on super-elusive this season again, so with your back at 68 vision and mine at 48, maybe we can work out if there really is a big difference between the vision levels?

Looks good. Although, I'm still wondering how exactly the vision checks work for an HB.

Originally posted by cptafw163

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=551697&pbp_id=2702740
^^ Still trying to figure out how this one happened. Not even powerbacks do this.

Do what? I'm seeing this A LOT this preseason. Your HB is merely slowed by traffic while every defender has a hat put on 'em from good blocking. Maybe I don't understand the nature of the question?

BTW, thanks for the posts and analysis.

Running on superelusive, I have seen some good results:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=545802&pbp_id=2659522

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=545797&pbp_id=1794401

But there has been some inconsistancy. He seems to be doing well once past the reaching arms of the DL and into the open field, but seems to get wrapped up by arm tackles at the LOS a lot.

He has 51 vision, 60 strength, 50 carrying and 45 confidence

Originally posted by Simpo911


But there has been some inconsistancy. He seems to be doing well once past the reaching arms of the DL and into the open field, but seems to get wrapped up by arm tackles at the LOS a lot.



At the LOS I would think its the DL that would tackle him. But I have seen MLBs being able to get that tackle more often. What's your agility? That might be the reason. Agility provides decent help to get past those tackles when coupled with the strength you have.

--Dan

Originally posted by Dirty Mo Posse
Originally posted by Viscount

Looks good. Although, I'm still wondering how exactly the vision checks work for an HB.



Yeah...My guess is this:

1. Check to get thru the trenches (LOS)
2. After thru the LOS, he picks a straight lane away from defenders AND the straightest to the endzone. If he fails a vision check, he dances and looks like he doesn't know what to choose. Basically you see less dancing because the decision is made more quickly.

BUT
If you have low cvision, you make decisions fast, but its more of a coin toss as to if it was the right decision (right decision being the best lane). I have noticed that second capped vision is when you start seeing the HB running away from defenders instead of cutting INTO a defender at the end of a run.

that 2nd cap info is really helpful since i think that's the biggest problem for SE...running straight into a tackle after the defender's already been beat. that said, point #2 doesn't make sense to me. Why would a back aim for the straightest line to the endzone? that would make very little sense.

Originally posted by whatje
that 2nd cap info is really helpful since i think that's the biggest problem for SE...running straight into a tackle after the defender's already been beat. that said, point #2 doesn't make sense to me. Why would a back aim for the straightest line to the endzone? that would make very little sense.

It was hard to explain that part of it, and I was thinking people would get mixed up. Basically if the HB gets through the LOS, and he has nothing in front of him, or a good lane to ANY direction, he will just BURST straight through that and not try any dancing. Like this:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=551696&pbp_id=1853523

Instead of stopping, he keeps sprinting and slices by the Cb who is being blocked. No slowing/stopping/hesitation. He just GOES STRAIGHT and picks up the extra yards.

Thats what i meant by going straight.

Originally posted by Spike25
Originally posted by cptafw163

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=551697&pbp_id=2702740
^^ Still trying to figure out how this one happened. Not even powerbacks do this.

I think he got up and walked over the players, rather than running around them

So, are you going to be keeping him on super-elusive for the rest of the season? I will be running my elusive back on super-elusive this season again, so with your back at 68 vision and mine at 48, maybe we can work out if there really is a big difference between the vision levels?

Sure. I will be running on SE the whole season. Expecially since i have seen no dancing whatsoever. However, i think bort lowered the level of vision needed to not dance. Because NO ONE has third capped vision, so he realized the dancing was just pissing everyone off.

i guess it makes some sense because you're looking to churn out extra yards but i assume it would be more beneficial for the back to see lanes and stuff rather than simply run in the straightest line away from people and toward the endzone. I would think vision SHOULD allow backs to make cuts based on where they are capable of running to get the most yards. that said, i'm not sure that it works that way in the sim

2nd cap vision, game 1 today:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=480110&pbp_id=3886680
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=480110&pbp_id=3887157

Not about the competition (cpu), but look at the HB stop and run TOWARD defenders multiple times. On the second play he actually ran at the defenders 3 times when he could have gone straight and walked into the end zone untouched. Can this really be entirely pinned on cruise control?