Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Short Yardage Monster
This player is hard to bring down for a TFL. Each level of Short Yardage Monster gives a +4% bonus to breaking tackles when behind the line of scrimmage and not playing QB.

Anyone have any experience with this? I'm considering using this on a non-power back. I'm not sure if the % bonus is based on breaking tackles via str/carry or agility. Either way I'm hoping a +60% chance would be helpful.

Thoughts?

Nobody knows. But if you're using this and Slippery you're getting +90% behind the LOS.

The problem is that TFLs happen infrequently in relation to non TFLs. How much is it going really help? And even if it does, what are your odds of breaking a Barry Sanders-like run vs a 0 or 1 yd gain?

Originally posted by taz20075
Nobody knows. But if you're using this and Slippery you're getting +90% behind the LOS.

The problem is that TFLs happen infrequently in relation to non TFLs. How much is it going really help? And even if it does, what are your odds of breaking a Barry Sanders-like run vs a 0 or 1 yd gain?

TFL's seem to be more frequent for elusive backs. I think these would be nice for elusive backs that are running pitch plays and screen passes frequently, not to mention the obvious advantage to inside and short yardage rushing.

Pitch plays are usually either a TFL or a big gain. If you can overcome that single LB that sneaks into the backfield, then you may get more consistent big gains.

More common, yes. A lot... I don't know. In 382 carries last season, I had 2. In the season before I had 15 in 273.

I'd say if you're around 5% TFL (which is 15 per 300) it's not really worth sinking 15 in. That's 1 per game. Like I said before, how much help is it really going to be?

Originally posted by taz20075
More common, yes. A lot... I don't know. In 382 carries last season, I had 2. In the season before I had 15 in 273.

I'd say if you're around 5% TFL (which is 15 per 300) it's not really worth sinking 15 in. That's 1 per game. Like I said before, how much help is it really going to be?

At the higher levels of play, it becomes more of an issue. When you start going up against LB's with 103+ speed and 60+ vision, they tend to shut down the pitch regularly with a TFL. But, if they're picked up by a blocker, pitch plays can still break for long yardage. There really is not much between an 8+ yd gain and a TFL, so if you can cut out those TFL's your average YPC will be much higher.

Thing is, elusive backs have a greater chance of getting tackled behind the LOS, and they're not terribly likely to BREAK many tackles to begin with, so I don't think the % bonus would be of significant help.

Originally posted by jbagwell4
Thing is, elusive backs have a greater chance of getting tackled behind the LOS, and they're not terribly likely to BREAK many tackles to begin with, so I don't think the % bonus would be of significant help.

Yeah, I guess that was my main deal. I put slippery on one of my HB's this preseason, and while he did break some tackles, it wasn't anything crazy.

I'm not sure how it exactly increases break tackle %, if agility is involved or what...

Power: Bruiser/SYM
Elusive: Slippery/SYM (spin back with at least capped strength) Quick Feet/SYM (fake/quick cut back)

But I have doubts about the slip/sym, because if you are running on even 50% elusive, you are going to still be trying to get away from the defender. Bort seems to have fixed the elusive running this season, but i don't like it. The waiting in the backfield helped my HB get some big runs because the defenders were on the LOS, then the line pushed them back and made a hole.

Bad thing is when playing a team that gets thru the hole like butter...then you will need to break a tackle.

I plan on getting it for my elusive back. Should make pitches & sweeps more viable.

Originally posted by wlarson
I plan on getting it for my elusive back. Should make pitches & sweeps more viable.

pitches and sweeps rule this season....very pleased

Originally posted by taurran
Originally posted by jbagwell4

Thing is, elusive backs have a greater chance of getting tackled behind the LOS, and they're not terribly likely to BREAK many tackles to begin with, so I don't think the % bonus would be of significant help.

Yeah, I guess that was my main deal. I put slippery on one of my HB's this preseason, and while he did break some tackles, it wasn't anything crazy.

I'm not sure how it exactly increases break tackle %, if agility is involved or what...

Were you expecting anything crazy? It takes your break tackle chance (say 10%) and adds 30% of that (in this case 3%). So it doesnīt matter what attributes are involved.

If it increased your break tackles at all, then it was doing fine, and shows that your break tackle chance is not that low. And thatīs just a 30% boost. 90% behind the LOS sounds like a good deal to me, for the exact same reasons you mentioned.

Originally posted by cptafw163
Originally posted by wlarson

I plan on getting it for my elusive back. Should make pitches & sweeps more viable.

pitches and sweeps rule this season....very pleased

SYM may actually make them work in the PRO's too. O_o

tried it with one of my back... broke 13 tackles in loss

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=545301

Originally posted by jbagwell4
Thing is, elusive backs have a greater chance of getting tackled behind the LOS, and they're not terribly likely to BREAK many tackles to begin with, so I don't think the % bonus would be of significant help.

This. SYM is not a very good VA.

Originally posted by rotharek
Originally posted by jbagwell4

Thing is, elusive backs have a greater chance of getting tackled behind the LOS, and they're not terribly likely to BREAK many tackles to begin with, so I don't think the % bonus would be of significant help.

This. SYM is not a very good VA.

its good if you have alot of backfield pressure...

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=545301&pbp_id=1878283
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=545301&pbp_id=1880898
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=545301&pbp_id=1881337

thats from a game where we got crushed