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I posted this inside the other thread... but I put enough work into it that I thought it deserved its own thread.

I should note that I do not firmly believe that a teams overall rating is a perfectly accurate measure of how tough they are. Further their is a great deal of variance with-in each score. One 27 can be much much tougher than another 27. The best of the 24's is probably a good deal better than the worst of the 27s. However, I can not find a single example of a 24 beating a 30... so their is SOMETHING to them. With nothing else to go on, I think that average overall rating is probably a fairly accurate measure for the comparative toughness of each league.

The odd numbered Leagues have had one more game than the even numbered at this point. To compare the two is a little apples and oranges. It would be more fair to compare after the sim for the even leagues tomorrow. Thats said... here are the numbers for the odds.

Format is...

division number / average team overall (west) / average team overall (East) / average team overall (league)


1 / 26.44 / 26.44 / 26.44
3 / 27.38 / 26.81 / 27.09
5 / 27.19 / 27.00 / 27.09
7 / 27.00 / 26.81 / 26.91
9 / 26.44 / 27.00 / 26.72
11/ 26.33 / 26.81 / 26.72
13/ 26.81 / 25.13 / 25.97
15/ 26.25 / 26.63 / 26.44

None of these teams have a single team rated 33 overall. There is a single 21 rated team, so that special shout out goes to the Salem Cyber Hawks in the BBB 15 east. Congratulations.

Again, this is without the benefit of a 12th game... heres a look at a few of the even conferences...

2 / 27.00 / 26.25 / 26.63
10/ 26.44 / 26.25 / 26.34
12/ 26.44 / 26.25 / 26.34

No - thats not a typo. 10 and 12 have the exact same averages in each conference. Team break downs as follows...

10 west has 4 30s, 5 27s, 7 24s
10 east has 1 30, 10 27s, 5 24s
12 west has 3 30s, 7 27s, 6 24s
12 east has 1 33, 1 30, 7 27s, 7 24s.

Crunch the numbers yourself, the averages I list are correct. Anyrate... the even leagues are a game of experience behind the odd leagues so I will post their full breakdown tomorrow.

What does all this mean? Probably nothing... but for those who like numbers... there they are.

No 16?

West
30 Dallas, SNK
27 EZC, Tallahasse, Seattle, Fresno, Minnesota, Hawaii, Laurier, Texas, Oakland
24 Tijuana, Lauderdale, San Francisco, Colorado, Las Vegas

26.44

East
33 Atlanta (Yes, 33)
30 Naperville, NY Launch, Crimson, Milwaukee
27 STL, NY Mustangs, Indianapolis, Sin City, Columbus, Pittsburgh, Maine, New Orleans, Detroit
24 Cleveland, Martha's Vineyard

27.75

Overal for BB #16 = 27.1

Originally posted by WEglAudacity
No 16?

Haven't done 16 yet... didn't focus overly on the even leagues as they are presently a game behind the odd leagues. I've gotta run a few errands. Maybe when I get back I will break down the other 5 even leagues. Without a doubt I will do all the even leagues (includeing a redo on those three) after their sim tomorrow. At that point they will have 12 games under their belts just like the odd leagues so we will be able to get a more accurate comparison.

Neat?

Complete Least - Keep in mind the even conferences have not had a game today... how much difference does that make? Who knows...


Format as above...

division number / average team overall (west) / average team overall (east) / average team overall (league)

1 / 26.44 / 26.44 / 26.44
2 / 27.00 / 26.25 / 26.63
3 / 27.38 / 26.81 / 27.09
4 / 26.06 / 25.88 / 25.97
5 / 27.19 / 27.00 / 27.09
6 / 26.81 / 26.06 / 26.44
7 / 27.00 / 26.81 / 26.91
8 / 26.25 / 25.50 / 25.88
9 / 26.44 / 27.00 / 26.72
10/ 26.44 / 26.25 / 26.34
11/ 26.33 / 26.81 / 26.72
12/ 26.44 / 26.25 / 26.34
13/ 26.81 / 25.13 / 25.97
14/ 26.44 / 27.00 / 26.72
15/ 26.25 / 26.63 / 26.44
16/ 26.81 / 27.75 / 27.28

Sorted in order then we have...

1)...16=27.28
2)...3,5=27.09
4)...7=26.91
5)...9,11,14=26.72
8)...2=26.63
9)...1,6,15=26.44
12)..10,12=26.34
14)..4,13=25.97
16)..8=25.88

Salem used to be even worse...

The other thing that a purely ratings based eveluation doesn't take into account is a) team depth and b) strategies.

BB15's numbers would have been considerably better had the former New Jersey Boys (Salem Cyber Hawks) been paying attention the whole season.

i dont get how the average for the entire league makes it the toughest, shouldnt it be how close the teams in that league are, for instance if the 2 conferences averages are dead even then wouldnt that be a tougher league than if 1 conference blew the other out

Originally posted by bamaplaya1
i dont get how the average for the entire league makes it the toughest, shouldnt it be how close the teams in that league are, for instance if the 2 conferences averages are dead even then wouldnt that be a tougher league than if 1 conference blew the other out
As somebody said in the thread this breakdown originally came from, a league with 2 dead even conferences wouldn't necessarily be the toughest league. It could, but at the same time it could easily be a very mediocre league in which nobody stands out.

that may be, but u could also have a very top heavy league that has some good teams, but mainly crappy teams, but because of the good ones the average is high

The man just put the numbers out there for you to check out and think about. It doesn't necessarily mean which team is the toughest and he also specified that 24 isn't necessarily going to lose to 27 every time and so forth. It's pretty interesting to see some of those numbers. The best league could be one of the lower ones for competitive sakes because all of the teams are very close to an average of 27 as opposed to league's with higher numbers overall because a few teams are at 30 and 33.

Badlands Abomination BBB 10, had 5 shutouts in a row

Against crappy teams.

Real test will be the next 2 season once most of the teams have had a chance to get rid of the cpu players

Originally posted by WEglAudacity
No 16?

West
30 Dallas, SNK
27 EZC, Tallahasse, Seattle, Fresno, Minnesota, Hawaii, Laurier, Texas, Oakland
24 Tijuana, Lauderdale, San Francisco, Colorado, Las Vegas

26.44

East
33 Atlanta (Yes, 33)
30 Naperville, NY Launch, Crimson, Milwaukee
27 STL, NY Mustangs, Indianapolis, Sin City, Columbus, Pittsburgh, Maine, New Orleans, Detroit
24 Cleveland, Martha's Vineyard

27.75

Overal for BB #16 = 27.1

Its even better then that. Lauderdale, Tijauna, and I think San Frncisco all have 27 overalls.

bbb 16 is the best BBB hands down. all other BBB's can suck it. I am totally serious by the way. I wish all other BBB leagues just die in a car wreck and burn until they are unidentifiable.