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Woodridge Lumberjacks vs Turin THUNDER (48-26) Spread: 22
Graz Grizzlies vs Black Watch (41-25) Spread: 16
Aberdeen Wrecking Crew vs West Wales Warriors (43-34) Spread: 9
Paris Philharmonic vs London Monarchs (41-30) Spread: 11
Paris Dream Bolts vs Belfast Commandos (36-20) Spread: 16
*Bonn Dynamo vs Dinas Mawddwy Red Bandits (34-8) Spread: 26
*E-City Mercenaries vs Toulouse Aviators (33-29) Spread: 4
*Lyon Sharks vs Team Perkis (26-22) Spread: 4

Again, I'm only using Toulouse/Lyon/Dinas info from when they were trying.

Zeta Conference
Black Forest Mercenaries vs Sevilla Naranjas (34-5) Spread: 29
Stockholm Meatballs vs Edinburgh Black Knights (34-13) Spread: 21
Rivals Mainboard Pimps vs Dallas Browns (22-22) Spread: 0
Berlin Ballers vs London Hitmen (29-25) Spread: 4
Korb Destroyers vs PPP Longnecks (52-11) Spread: 41
Grass Roots Divots vs Antwerp Annihilators (24-22) Spread: 2
A Team of Ice and Fire vs London Rippers (20-20) Spread: 0
Cardiff Bluebirds vs Lyon Dynasty (31-24) Spread: 7

**RPI**
Alpha Conference
1. - .625 - Graz Grizzlies
2. - .602 - Paris Dream Bolts
3. - .592 - Bonn Dynamo
4. - .583 - Woodridge Lumberjacks
5. - .538 - Paris Philharmonic
6. - .520 - Belfast Commandos
7. - .502 - West Wales Warriors
8. - .489 - Black Watch
9. - .488 - E-City Mercenaries
10. - .484 - Aberdeen Wrecking Crew
11. - .483 - Lyon Sharks
12. - .468 - Turin THUNDER
13. - .460 - London Monarchs
14. - .442 - Team Perkis
15. - .413 - Toulouse Aviators
16. - .404 - Dinas Mawddwy Red Bandits

Zeta Conference
1. - .625 - Black Forest Mercenaries
2. - .600 - Stockholm Meatballs
3. - .571 - Rivals Mainboard Pimps
4. - .565 - Korb Destroyers
5. - .550 - Berlin Ballers
6. - .541 - Antwerp Annihilators
7. - .528 - Grass Roots Divots
8. - .526 - A Team of Ice and Fire
9. - .501 - London Hitmen
10. - .500 - Cardiff Bluebirds
11. - .473 - Dallas Browns
12. - .465 - London Rippers
13. - .451 - Edinburgh Black Knights
14. - .433 - Lyon Dynasty
15. - .386 - Sevilla Naranjas
16. - .366 - PPP Longnecks

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Originally posted by Wrath Of Conor
Alpha Conference

Woodridge Lumberjacks vs Turin THUNDER (48-26) Spread: 22
Graz Grizzlies vs Black Watch (41-25) Spread: 16
Aberdeen Wrecking Crew vs West Wales Warriors (43-34) Spread: 9
Paris Philharmonic vs London Monarchs (41-30) Spread: 11
Paris Dream Bolts vs Belfast Commandos (36-20) Spread: 16
*Bonn Dynamo vs Dinas Mawddwy Red Bandits (34-8) Spread: 26
*E-City Mercenaries vs Toulouse Aviators (33-29) Spread: 4
*Lyon Sharks vs Team Perkis (26-22) Spread: 4

Again, I'm only using Toulouse/Lyon/Dinas info from when they were trying.

Zeta Conference
Black Forest Mercenaries vs Sevilla Naranjas (34-5) Spread: 29
Stockholm Meatballs vs Edinburgh Black Knights (34-13) Spread: 21
Rivals Mainboard Pimps vs Dallas Browns (22-22) Spread: 0
Berlin Ballers vs London Hitmen (29-25) Spread: 4
Korb Destroyers vs PPP Longnecks (52-11) Spread: 41
Grass Roots Divots vs Antwerp Annihilators (24-22) Spread: 2
A Team of Ice and Fire vs London Rippers (20-20) Spread: 0 Ice n Fire to win in OT
Cardiff Bluebirds vs Lyon Dynasty (31-24) Spread: 7

**RPI**
Alpha Conference
1. - .625 - Graz Grizzlies
2. - .602 - Paris Dream Bolts
3. - .592 - Bonn Dynamo
4. - .583 - Woodridge Lumberjacks
5. - .538 - Paris Philharmonic
6. - .520 - Belfast Commandos
7. - .502 - West Wales Warriors
8. - .489 - Black Watch
9. - .488 - E-City Mercenaries
10. - .484 - Aberdeen Wrecking Crew
11. - .483 - Lyon Sharks
12. - .468 - Turin THUNDER
13. - .460 - London Monarchs
14. - .442 - Team Perkis
15. - .413 - Toulouse Aviators
16. - .404 - Dinas Mawddwy Red Bandits

Zeta Conference
1. - .625 - Black Forest Mercenaries
2. - .600 - Stockholm Meatballs
3. - .571 - Rivals Mainboard Pimps
4. - .565 - Korb Destroyers
5. - .550 - Berlin Ballers
6. - .541 - Antwerp Annihilators
7. - .528 - Grass Roots Divots
8. - .526 - A Team of Ice and Fire
9. - .501 - London Hitmen
10. - .500 - Cardiff Bluebirds
11. - .473 - Dallas Browns
12. - .465 - London Rippers
13. - .451 - Edinburgh Black Knights
14. - .433 - Lyon Dynasty
15. - .386 - Sevilla Naranjas
16. - .366 - PPP Longnecks



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Originally posted by thelanger
Originally posted by Wrath Of Conor

Alpha Conference

Woodridge Lumberjacks vs Turin THUNDER (48-26) Spread: 22
Graz Grizzlies vs Black Watch (41-25) Spread: 16
Aberdeen Wrecking Crew vs West Wales Warriors (43-34) Spread: 9
Paris Philharmonic vs London Monarchs (41-30) Spread: 11
Paris Dream Bolts vs Belfast Commandos (36-20) Spread: 16
*Bonn Dynamo vs Dinas Mawddwy Red Bandits (34-8) Spread: 26
*E-City Mercenaries vs Toulouse Aviators (33-29) Spread: 4
*Lyon Sharks vs Team Perkis (26-22) Spread: 4

Again, I'm only using Toulouse/Lyon/Dinas info from when they were trying.

Zeta Conference
Black Forest Mercenaries vs Sevilla Naranjas (34-5) Spread: 29
Stockholm Meatballs vs Edinburgh Black Knights (34-13) Spread: 21
Rivals Mainboard Pimps vs Dallas Browns (22-22) Spread: 0
Berlin Ballers vs London Hitmen (29-25) Spread: 4
Korb Destroyers vs PPP Longnecks (52-11) Spread: 41
Grass Roots Divots vs Antwerp Annihilators (24-22) Spread: 2
A Team of Ice and Fire vs London Rippers (20-20) Spread: 0 Ice n Fire to bore everyone by running the same plays over and over and over again
Cardiff Bluebirds vs Lyon Dynasty (31-24) Spread: 7

**RPI**
Alpha Conference
1. - .625 - Graz Grizzlies
2. - .602 - Paris Dream Bolts
3. - .592 - Bonn Dynamo
4. - .583 - Woodridge Lumberjacks
5. - .538 - Paris Philharmonic
6. - .520 - Belfast Commandos
7. - .502 - West Wales Warriors
8. - .489 - Black Watch
9. - .488 - E-City Mercenaries
10. - .484 - Aberdeen Wrecking Crew
11. - .483 - Lyon Sharks
12. - .468 - Turin THUNDER
13. - .460 - London Monarchs
14. - .442 - Team Perkis
15. - .413 - Toulouse Aviators
16. - .404 - Dinas Mawddwy Red Bandits

Zeta Conference
1. - .625 - Black Forest Mercenaries
2. - .600 - Stockholm Meatballs
3. - .571 - Rivals Mainboard Pimps
4. - .565 - Korb Destroyers
5. - .550 - Berlin Ballers
6. - .541 - Antwerp Annihilators
7. - .528 - Grass Roots Divots
8. - .526 - A Team of Ice and Fire
9. - .501 - London Hitmen
10. - .500 - Cardiff Bluebirds
11. - .473 - Dallas Browns
12. - .465 - London Rippers
13. - .451 - Edinburgh Black Knights
14. - .433 - Lyon Dynasty
15. - .386 - Sevilla Naranjas
16. - .366 - PPP Longnecks



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thelanger
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That's fair.

Fact is we would be last if we weren't.

I'm sick of fighting the sim and being inventive and trying to be surprising and attack weaknesses because we aren't able to reliably with our same starting player base, where there are gaping holes in the player base and I promised my buddies irl that we would stick together if they played certain player names at the start and thats whats happening, I'm not going to ignore an area where we are built fairly well and attack your team where they are stronger tho so you can be more entertained and I have a 1% less chance of winning the game.

I care that you're bitter enough to remark on it, and I don't have anything against you but I don't really care if I bore you, I'm just trying to win and will use whatever gives me the best chance.

Are you Welsh by the way? That was a cracking game of rugby yesterday.
 
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Many teams could just run 1 or 2 plays all day but if we all did that it would be a very boring season; even though our passing game is horrible at the moment I feel it's unfair on the receivers who pay to boost their players if I just go 100% run, especially using just a couple of plays. Everyone is entitled to do whatever they want to win, I prefer to try and at least be a bit imaginative by running many different plays, including a spot of QB wildcat now and again. This is only a game

Yes I'm Welsh, even though we lost it was a good game that went right down to the last kick of the game. If he didn't get under the kick so much he would have those extra couple of yards needed. Even though it's great to see England suffering they seem to get things right for the World Cups, it's mad that people were even talking about sacking Martin Johnson.

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I don't really have anything against tiffany for running the same play over and over, it's just the stupidity of the system that allows them to do so 60 times with no dropoff which is the infuriating part. Can't blame them for taking advantage of it, even if I don't particularly care for it.

I'm with you though Welsh, we've tried to run a balanced offense all season long. Since I do both OC and DC work for the Ballers I take it upon myself to try and keep the game interesting for everyone on the team. We could've just ran 80% of the time like some others and called it a day, but I don't think it's fair to our WRs who pay 900 flex a season to see their guys finish with 200 yards each in 16 games.

Unfortunately, for the first 8 games, running a balanced gameplan with actual gameplanning and ingenuity was punished by this sim. We lost a couple games that we really had no business losing because I tried taking advantage of holes in opponent's D AI and having either awful QB logic or the poor leading mechanic just kill us with it. We were at the tipping point of just caving in and running up the middle every play like others when the slight mid-season passing changes kicked in, and now we're actually able to run the type of offense we want, for the most part.

 
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Originally posted by Menamino
I don't really have anything against tiffany for running the same play over and over, it's just the stupidity of the system that allows them to do so 60 times with no dropoff which is the infuriating part. Can't blame them for taking advantage of it, even if I don't particularly care for it.

I'm with you though Welsh, we've tried to run a balanced offense all season long. Since I do both OC and DC work for the Ballers I take it upon myself to try and keep the game interesting for everyone on the team. We could've just ran 80% of the time like some others and called it a day, but I don't think it's fair to our WRs who pay 900 flex a season to see their guys finish with 200 yards each in 16 games.

Unfortunately, for the first 8 games, running a balanced gameplan with actual gameplanning and ingenuity was punished by this sim. We lost a couple games that we really had no business losing because I tried taking advantage of holes in opponent's D AI and having either awful QB logic or the poor leading mechanic just kill us with it. We were at the tipping point of just caving in and running up the middle every play like others when the slight mid-season passing changes kicked in, and now we're actually able to run the type of offense we want, for the most part.



+1

I struggle with doing what we need to do to win/vs keeping agents happy. Bonn churns through WRs because of it because even though I try, their numbers always end up sub-par. We've got 1 WR who has a good build and EQ, etc, but he catches maybe 1 pass for 10 yards a game and this is even with us going with 4 WRs this season instead of 5.

I think Bort needs to incorporate so much more as far as trends in-game. The more you run the same play from the same formation the less effective it should be, the more 'Monster Hits' a Rb takes the less effective he should be, but it doesn't seem work that way...
 
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hey if it works it works.....would i rather see my team get dominated over and over but spread it around or watch them run the same plays over and over and win....its all a matter of personal preference. in the end they are the ones who have those stats and those games to watch every time so if they want to make that sacrifice in order to win, all power to them.
 
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Originally posted by piratecalvin
hey if it works it works.....would i rather see my team get dominated over and over but spread it around or watch them run the same plays over and over and win....its all a matter of personal preference. in the end they are the ones who have those stats and those games to watch every time so if they want to make that sacrifice in order to win, all power to them.


I guess what I'm saying is I don't have problems doing what it takes to win, but it doesn't mean I have to like it. If it takes a certain strategy to win an in turn this strategy turns off half of GLBs population then I think it's a bittersweet trophy for me if I were to win one. Now, I'm not trying to undercut eventual S8 champs, but ultimately what S8 is boiling down to is alienating a lot of good agents. Can teams still pass and win? Sure, look at Graz. I'm actually not complaining because my team's been able to win over the years regardless including this season, but I just see agent loss and it hurts the overall GLB product.
 
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Yeah well, point taken about the WRs, and I know it's only a game, but I'm a competitive guy and after 2 mediocre seasons in the Pro League trying out different ais and starting a third season badly I decided to to turn to the darkside.

By the way, I'm not exactly ecstatic with the results, it's not like we're a bloody powerhouse... we're fucking 8th


re the rugby; Yeah, there was mad excitement in the pub I was in for the entire game, and I felt bad for Jones who had had a great game till after he got that drop goal as kicking it out on the full and that missed penalty colour his overall impact on the game, that said, I thought we deserved the win... regarding England, they have lived close and beyond the edge of the rules for years in international rugby [as much as NZ] and gotten away with it, but I was still surprised at the amount of penalties they gave away all 6 nations and that they couldn't stop themselves. I didn't realise Martin Johnson was still under pressure after the thumping they gave France.

 
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Originally posted by thelanger
I promised my buddies irl that we would stick together if they played certain player names at the start and thats whats happening.


thelanger has covered this whole arguament pretty well, yes, we know it's not pretty but losing sucks a lot more. We're still passing, just not every down. It's partly the sim but lots more down to the quote above.

Get this: we have exactly the same player base as we had as of season 2 game 3 bar the addition of one CB and loss of a HB in season 5.

How many other teams in WEPL have been playing with exactly the same roster for the last 7 seasons?

We haven't dumped non-boosters, we haven't dumped guys who decided to build their players a little differently to see it not turn out to be the new Über-tech build, we have only recruited a player who shares certain player names. You think you have problems recruiting?

So now we have a sim where we can't reliably pass the ball and win. We're also stuck (by choice) with the O & D we have atm so we won't just go and buy a WEPL trpohy. We do what we can with what we have. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

Is it boring? Usually, but there's some pearls in there.

In Soccer terms we've decided to be Everton >shudder< and not Arsenal. Boring but effective > beautiful with no end product.
 
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The main issue I have is not so much with the teams doing it but more the sim that allows it to happen; we've also have a very small turnover of players over the seasons and over half the squad have been here since season 2 and most of the others joined in season 3.

If anyone has a case for running more it's us over in Cardiff, we have the second highest yards per carry in the conference and I have no doubt that we would be a couple of positions higher if I set us for 100% strong I running every game. Unfortunately we're going to miss out on the playoffs for the first time because I tried to keep things as balanced as possible.

Like I said, my main frustration is aimed at the sim for allowing plays to be run over and over again, hopefully Bort is working on that as we speak and we'll have a more balanced sim next season.
 
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Originally posted by Menamino
I don't really have anything against tiffany for running the same play over and over, it's just the stupidity of the system that allows them to do so 60 times with no dropoff which is the infuriating part. Can't blame them for taking advantage of it, even if I don't particularly care for it.

I'm with you though Welsh, we've tried to run a balanced offense all season long. Since I do both OC and DC work for the Ballers I take it upon myself to try and keep the game interesting for everyone on the team. We could've just ran 80% of the time like some others and called it a day, but I don't think it's fair to our WRs who pay 900 flex a season to see their guys finish with 200 yards each in 16 games.

Unfortunately, for the first 8 games, running a balanced gameplan with actual gameplanning and ingenuity was punished by this sim. We lost a couple games that we really had no business losing because I tried taking advantage of holes in opponent's D AI and having either awful QB logic or the poor leading mechanic just kill us with it. We were at the tipping point of just caving in and running up the middle every play like others when the slight mid-season passing changes kicked in, and now we're actually able to run the type of offense we want, for the most part.



This. Esp the poor QB logic. Can´t spot an open receiver to save their lives and they just love double- and triple-coverage. Seems like they think "Hmm, they´ve got 2 guys on him, he must be good."
Last edited Mar 24, 2009 05:19:49
 
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Originally posted by Kevin Smith
Originally posted by Menamino

I don't really have anything against tiffany for running the same play over and over, it's just the stupidity of the system that allows them to do so 60 times with no dropoff which is the infuriating part. Can't blame them for taking advantage of it, even if I don't particularly care for it.

I'm with you though Welsh, we've tried to run a balanced offense all season long. Since I do both OC and DC work for the Ballers I take it upon myself to try and keep the game interesting for everyone on the team. We could've just ran 80% of the time like some others and called it a day, but I don't think it's fair to our WRs who pay 900 flex a season to see their guys finish with 200 yards each in 16 games.

Unfortunately, for the first 8 games, running a balanced gameplan with actual gameplanning and ingenuity was punished by this sim. We lost a couple games that we really had no business losing because I tried taking advantage of holes in opponent's D AI and having either awful QB logic or the poor leading mechanic just kill us with it. We were at the tipping point of just caving in and running up the middle every play like others when the slight mid-season passing changes kicked in, and now we're actually able to run the type of offense we want, for the most part.



This. Esp the poor QB logic. Can´t spot an open receiver to save their lives and they just love double- and triple-coverage. Seems like they think "Hmm, they´ve got 2 guys on him, he must be good."


He's f*cking Rex Grossman
 
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Er, London Rippers?

We will probably be running the ball from Strong I
 
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