Warrior General Games

Here it comes...back at long last:
Level 34
Attibutes:
81/78/61 Speed/Agi/Vision

5/4/3/7/1 QC/HF/FS/Juke/Spin

I just started running on 99 elusive, and i think vision is the key here fellas:

here are some clips of 99 elusive:
Receptions:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=398990&pbp_id=13113021

Runs:
Fakes the SS:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=398989&pbp_id=12178796
CB and SS fall down:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=398989&pbp_id=12179944

What an elusive back would do in real life: Patience and jukes the FS out of his socks:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=398989&pbp_id=12178980

Waits for his blockers then accelerates thru the hole:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=398989&pbp_id=12182713

They really should have fakes displayed like they have missed tackles:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=398989&pbp_id=12185799

So, I have concluded that vision does not GIMP a player. I think vision adds to the success of fakes...and i am also thinking confidence. Speed over 90, and agility over 90 are not needed (for level 50+ guys). I just wanted to make a back that would have a good percentage of runs over 3.5 yards, and i think i got that.

SO i have concluded that vision is needed to make a true elusive back. I think it helps trigger those SAs.

--Dan

P.S. What happened to viscount's HB forum? no more private forum?

Actually, what i have noticed is that the HB does not pause for as long when the vision is second capped. He makes the decision to BURST before the defender lays the lumber on him.

Looking back on thise plays, the defenders seem like they are gonna smash the HB, but the Hb gets out of the way. Hence the falling bodies.

I am not bragging, this HB was an experiment to see if vision was needed.

--Dan

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=398989&pbp_id=12182713

This run showed great vision.

Most of your fakes are just head fakes or jukes and dont have anything to do with vision though.

I also think that to main reason your RB has more of a burst is because his speed and agility are so close to each other which helps him accelerate a lot faster. Most Rbs arent that close with their speed and agility


Heres a replay of my Rb with 30 seeing openings good too.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=426389&pbp_id=11804080


I know vision helps. I just dont think it has enough value.

Thanks for the input. I have always thought that a HB, lets say, level 34 like mine, does not need as much speed/agility as one thinks. Everyone is racing to triple digits. But i think there are "diminishing returns" when the speed distances itself from the agility so much that the extra speed you have is actually wasted. So having speed and agility within 10 of eachother makes for a better runner. ALSO, I don't think that much more than 90 speed and 80 agility are needed for a HB of any level. There are other attributes that need attention, like vision and CONFIDENCE.

I am starting to think that confidence helps trigger fakes, and vision, when at HIGH levels (not just the first cap) will help your HB's overall performance. I am not saying he will be a home run threat. But i am trying to make a HB that will still gain 3.5 yards on a BROKEN PLAY.

I just hope that my experiment helps other guys out who have doubts about vision. I was interested in what vision does, so i made this experiment.

--Dan
P.S. The run that you selected...the sad thing is that a power back would have just ran thru all that. Elusive HBs are an art form!! So much is needed for the stars to align and make them consistent.

You have any replays where he does not have a clear lane? That was a good fake on the SS, but can he make a play out of nothing? thats my real goal. Making a play out of nothing.

BUT I HAVE TO AGREE WITH YOU. There is a HB on my team that is an elusive back...kinda balanced with 50 strength though. He only has 35 vision, but am very selective in the plays i use (I am the OC). He is mainly used on run plays that have really good blocking, where the holes are open for a quick second before they close up. Since his vision is so low...he just runs straight through before starting a juke. So in that respect it works great.

My HB is on another team and i am not the OC, so he has to make due with the touches he gets.

--Dan

Originally posted by cptafw163
Thanks for the input. I have always thought that a HB, lets say, level 34 like mine, does not need as much speed/agility as one thinks. Everyone is racing to triple digits. But i think there are "diminishing returns" when the speed distances itself from the agility so much that the extra speed you have is actually wasted. So having speed and agility within 10 of eachother makes for a better runner. ALSO, I don't think that much more than 90 speed and 80 agility are needed for a HB of any level. There are other attributes that need attention, like vision and CONFIDENCE.

I am starting to think that confidence helps trigger fakes, and vision, when at HIGH levels (not just the first cap) will help your HB's overall performance. I am not saying he will be a home run threat. But i am trying to make a HB that will still gain 3.5 yards on a BROKEN PLAY.

I just hope that my experiment helps other guys out who have doubts about vision. I was interested in what vision does, so i made this experiment.

--Dan
P.S. The run that you selected...the sad thing is that a power back would have just ran thru all that. Elusive HBs are an art form!! So much is needed for the stars to align and make them consistent.

Well I am pretty sure confidence is a factor too. I really just think that confidence factors into everything and that at the end of every roll or equation their is a confidence multiplier. I also know that carrying effects moves and stuff.

I will look for some make something out of nothing replays real quick.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=426386&pbp_id=8968356
-Not huge but I probably should have been tackled at the LOS

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=426386&pbp_id=8970142

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=426383&pbp_id=6190999

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=426387&pbp_id=9907234

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=426387&pbp_id=9907854
-Good waiting for blocker

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=426387&pbp_id=9915542


Most of them are just good runs I could find where I didnt get stud blocking

Have you also tried running at 100-super elusive?

Originally posted by DaMayan
Have you also tried running at 100-super elusive?

i tried it and did crappy. Right now I am at 75

Originally posted by DaMayan
Have you also tried running at 100-super elusive?

I did, at second capped vision a while ago. He still ran out of bounds prematurely. He seemed to run better, unless he was near the sideline. 99 elusive seemed to fix that...and the OC choosing inside runs.

--Dan

DMP still runs out of bounds and he is running at 21% Elusive.



DMP

Originally posted by Dirty Mo Posse
DMP still runs out of bounds and he is running at 21% Elusive.



DMP

THats only because he has low confidence. He just gets scared. or he doesn't want to ruin that pretty face.

Originally posted by kingofgod
Originally posted by DaMayan

Have you also tried running at 100-super elusive?

i tried it and did crappy. Right now I am at 75

I did a lot better in the inside runs, but stretching it outside made me run out of bounds. Now that I think about it. Its probably better that way. My player never went backwards out of bounds...always for pos yards. But I think more vision will be needed to make me be able to run on 100 all the time. Right now i am doing great at 99

Originally posted by kingofgod
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=398989&pbp_id=12182713

This run showed great vision.

Most of your fakes are just head fakes or jukes and dont have anything to do with vision though.

I also think that to main reason your RB has more of a burst is because his speed and agility are so close to each other which helps him accelerate a lot faster. Most Rbs arent that close with their speed and agility


Heres a replay of my Rb with 30 seeing openings good too.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=426389&pbp_id=11804080


I know vision helps. I just dont think it has enough value.

hey King, i saw your build a while ago and you saw mine to lol, we were like the same lol, and i totally agree

I have my high level guy at 99 Elusive and my lower level guy at 55. Both seem to be doing pretty well but I'd have to look into the plays more