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any evidences to prove it?

Jumping > Catching

Yep

Originally posted by Zeromus
any evidences to prove it?

This theory is just based on logic and what I've seen from watching CBs with decent catching. For a WR catching basically increases their sphere of influence whereas as jumping only affects the height of a players influence. Whether the WR catches or drops the pass, it's his catching that allows him to get his hands in position, so why can't the same be true for CBs?

A WR doesn't need to jump to catch every pass so it should also be true that a CB doesn't have to jump to interecept or deflect every pass.

Vision will allow the CB to react to the pass; speed, agility and vision will get him in position; if the ball's high jumping will somewhat help him reach it; but what's going to help him deflect? Catching in my opinion.

a theory is that strength is what helps deflect more than catching. The goal is not to get two hands on the ball, but merely to knock it away. Jumping IMO is better than catching. I have seen some successful ballhawk builds with catching that get major ints, but they always have a decent amount of jumping too.

On the other hand, I have seen insanely succesful CBs without any catching at all. Although they dont overdo jumping, they have a nice healthy amount.

I havent seen really any successful CB that has totally neglected jumping while I have seen ones that have totally neglected catching.

Jumpin>catching....Infact possibly even strenght>catching if you dont care about ints too much.

But I bet all those ballhawk CBs you've seen with decent catching were playing on Aggressive rather than Semi-Aggressive or Medium?

I think strength would only come into to play when the CB gets their 2nd PD roll after the WR has caught the ball, so the CB can knock the ball out of his hands. Strength has no effect on a WRs catching so I don't think it would affect the CB's initial PD roll either.

yeah I actually dont believe that strength argument that much, just throwing it out there.
It would be interesting for some1 to do an expirment where they built two typical CBs, speed agility vision, but one focused jumping as the 4th attribute and one focused catching as the 4th attribute and see who was more succesfull.

What do you think on the theory that catching increases your PD reach radius?

jumping before catching IMO, catching is something i think you focus on later in a cb 's career when all 4 major attributes are over the 3rd cap atleast naturally... jumping being one of the 4 major attributes

catching sucks.

jumping helps in all of these diving tackles, int's, deflecting, and possibly more. catching only helps with catching the ball, how could catching be better?

Originally posted by SPYFELLOW
jumping helps in all of these diving tackles, int's, deflecting, and possibly more. catching only helps with catching the ball, how could catching be better?

Seriously just use some logic. As someone who's played CB in real life I wonder how exactly does jumping make me that more adept at deflecting passes?

If I can reach a pass when I jump 20 inches high, how is being able to jump higher going to help me deflect a pass I can already reach? Jumping won't help you reach further forward or to the side, that's catching.

Bort has said that when CBs get their PD roll the WR gets an anti-swat roll and that the WR's Jumping Catch SA greatly affects the CBs chances to deflect the pass. If you read the Jumping Catch SA description it says it gives a bonus to catching when jumping, this implies that when a player jumps it's harder to reach the ball and only catching affects that not jumping.

how do you know 20 inches is enough? it maybe if your literally on top/right beside a wr, but what about when your just a tid out of position

If you're out of position how does jumping help you reach forward or around you when it only affects your vertical leap?

Catching is a major skill for CBs for a reason.

Originally posted by Viscount
If you're out of position how does jumping help you reach forward or around you when it only affects your vertical leap?

Catching is a major skill for CBs for a reason.

Jumping is a major skill for CBs for a reason.