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I've seen that the Stiff Arm kicks in a lot and Power Through. But Lower Shoulder I haven't seen to much in the replays.

I think it just adds a flat bonus

It definitely triggers from time to time in replays, but not as often as Stiff Arm or Power Through from what I've seen.

It doesn't trigger as often, but it gives a flat bonus to breaking tackles, so just because it doesn't say (Lower the Shoulder) after a missed tackle doesn't mean that LtS didn't help you. At least that's my understanding.

I now have a AEQ for Lower The Shoulder, and +2 Stamina +3% Break Tackle. I can't decide which one to pick up.

Lower the shoulder. If you get it to 4 (costing six skill points) you can upgrade it to +3 and boom, you have seven in the skill. Saving you 10 skill points.

Originally posted by Dianwei32
It doesn't trigger as often, but it gives a flat bonus to breaking tackles, so just because it doesn't say (Lower the Shoulder) after a missed tackle doesn't mean that LtS didn't help you. At least that's my understanding.

I don't understand your conclusion...why would it be "active" and not show in the text sometimes, but show up at other times?

Originally posted by tautology
Originally posted by Dianwei32

It doesn't trigger as often, but it gives a flat bonus to breaking tackles, so just because it doesn't say (Lower the Shoulder) after a missed tackle doesn't mean that LtS didn't help you. At least that's my understanding.

I don't understand your conclusion...why would it be "active" and not show in the text sometimes, but show up at other times?

I find the SA to be confusing as well.

It reads out as if it is a flat bonus, which would lead me to believe that a flat bonus isn't something that can show up in the text.

But on the other hand, it does sometimes show up in the text, which would then make you wonder if it is a flat bonus in the first place?

How do you think it works, Tautology?

this just happened today

Murky Mauler rush [missed tackle: Geoff O'Brien] [missed tackle: Pant E. Waist (Power Through)] [missed tackle: Jay Tully (Lower the Shoulder)] to the right (21 yd gain) [tackle: Dead Head]

Murky Mauler rush [missed tackle: Jack Jam] [missed tackle: Vercin Getorix (Lower the Shoulder)] up the middle (9.5 yd gain) [tackle: Hector Hugo]

Murky Mauler rush [missed tackle: Pant E. Waist (Lower the Shoulder)] [missed tackle: D-Town Rocket (Lower the Shoulder)] to the right (8.5 yd gain) [tackle: Kevin McKenna]

Murky Mauler rush [missed tackle: Vercin Getorix (Lower the Shoulder)] [missed tackle: Jack Jam] to the right (13 yd gain) [tackle: D-Town Rocket]

Originally posted by silentdonkey00
this just happened today

Murky Mauler rush [missed tackle: Geoff O'Brien] [missed tackle: Pant E. Waist (Power Through)] [missed tackle: Jay Tully (Lower the Shoulder)] to the right (21 yd gain) [tackle: Dead Head]

Murky Mauler rush [missed tackle: Jack Jam] [missed tackle: Vercin Getorix (Lower the Shoulder)] up the middle (9.5 yd gain) [tackle: Hector Hugo]

Murky Mauler rush [missed tackle: Pant E. Waist (Lower the Shoulder)] [missed tackle: D-Town Rocket (Lower the Shoulder)] to the right (8.5 yd gain) [tackle: Kevin McKenna]

Murky Mauler rush [missed tackle: Vercin Getorix (Lower the Shoulder)] [missed tackle: Jack Jam] to the right (13 yd gain) [tackle: D-Town Rocket]

Right, but it says that it gives a bonus to the breaking tackle ability, which kind of implies that its active on every play.

But if it sometimes shows in the replay for broken tackles, but other times it doesn't, it kind of contradicts itself, which is where the confusion comes in to play.

Originally posted by Bukowski
Originally posted by tautology

Originally posted by Dianwei32


It doesn't trigger as often, but it gives a flat bonus to breaking tackles, so just because it doesn't say (Lower the Shoulder) after a missed tackle doesn't mean that LtS didn't help you. At least that's my understanding.

I don't understand your conclusion...why would it be "active" and not show in the text sometimes, but show up at other times?

I find the SA to be confusing as well.

It reads out as if it is a flat bonus, which would lead me to believe that a flat bonus isn't something that can show up in the text.

But on the other hand, it does sometimes show up in the text, which would then make you wonder if it is a flat bonus in the first place?

How do you think it works, Tautology?

I really don't know, but here are the two possibilities that I see:

1) It is not active all the time, but triggers depending on conditions (as shown in the PBP text).

or

2) It is active all the time, but only shows in the text when the LTS bonus is what allowed you to break a tackle that would otherwise have stopped you.

I used to think it was active all the time (from the description) but I now lean towards #1.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=373461&pbp_id=3784048

guy killing my team

Well I got the Lower The Shoulder. I had to replace it with my First Step piece.

Originally posted by tautology
Originally posted by Bukowski

Originally posted by tautology


Originally posted by Dianwei32



It doesn't trigger as often, but it gives a flat bonus to breaking tackles, so just because it doesn't say (Lower the Shoulder) after a missed tackle doesn't mean that LtS didn't help you. At least that's my understanding.

I don't understand your conclusion...why would it be "active" and not show in the text sometimes, but show up at other times?

I find the SA to be confusing as well.

It reads out as if it is a flat bonus, which would lead me to believe that a flat bonus isn't something that can show up in the text.

But on the other hand, it does sometimes show up in the text, which would then make you wonder if it is a flat bonus in the first place?

How do you think it works, Tautology?

I really don't know, but here are the two possibilities that I see:

1) It is not active all the time, but triggers depending on conditions (as shown in the PBP text).

or

2) It is active all the time, but only shows in the text when the LTS bonus is what allowed you to break a tackle that would otherwise have stopped you.

I used to think it was active all the time (from the description) but I now lean towards #1.

What about Power Through?

Or Stiff Arm?

Are those two fold, or are they random as well?

Check out this run: http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=374922&pbp_id=2937453