Anyone see how productive, unproductive, or counterproductive it can be with the full 15 points in it?
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Honestly, I think it's kind of a selfish thing to have.
And yeah, I think it's counterproductive, because the QB will be forcing you the ball, when he wouldn't normally have.
And yeah, I think it's counterproductive, because the QB will be forcing you the ball, when he wouldn't normally have.
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I think it is a total waste of a VA, and I think any owner should basically prohibit their players from using it! Or teams should just agree not to. If one guy uses it, it forces the others to to keep up.
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If you have a well built possession WR, over 90 catching, preferably pushing 100, I think you are entitled to take this by virtue of having the most reliability. As for the selfish comments, I don't buy them in this situation. The goal of the WR is to catch the ball, if you can prove that you are the most reliable WR on the team than you should be getting the most balls thrown your way. I see this as nothing more that a speedster adding speed or agility, they are helping make their build useful for the team, if they can't get open they aren't doing any good. If you have a guy who can catch anything thrown his way and through the virtue of the sim, the ball is being thrown to the 50% catching guys, then I think Go-to-guy is more than justifiable for the possession guy previously described.
If you have a guy who can't catch and you take this, then you are selfish.
If you have a guy who can't catch and you take this, then you are selfish.
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I can see this argument maybe, but catching does factor into how the QB chooses a target, as well as whether you are a primary receiver and how close you are to the first down, not just how open you are. To me it makes sense, for example, to run plays that set your possession guy as the primary receiver on 3rd downs, since that is the #1 factor in targets, and try to get the ball to him that way rather than put points into GTG. I can see theoretically how it might be useful for the team, but should be a last resort and isn't relevant for the vast majority of players.
How a QB's target is chosen
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Here's how it works:
You have to look where the player is when the QB starts his throwing motion, so pause the play there.
The QB calculates the "risk value" for each player based on several things (sort of in order-ish):
1) Being the primary receiver
2) How far down the checkdown list he is
3) How many defenders are nearby
4) How good those defenders are in comparison
5) How close the player is to the play's set distance (short/medium/long)
6) How close the player is to a first down (on 3rd/4th down plays)
7) The player's catching ability
He has to make a vision check to "see" each player, so if he fails the check, a player may go completely unnoticed. He'll then pass to the guy he sees whose risk is furthest under his "acceptable risk" value, which is determined by pressure and how long the play has taken, etc.
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How a QB's target is chosen
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Bort
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offline Nov 17, 2008 10:06:59Quote
Here's how it works:
You have to look where the player is when the QB starts his throwing motion, so pause the play there.
The QB calculates the "risk value" for each player based on several things (sort of in order-ish):
1) Being the primary receiver
2) How far down the checkdown list he is
3) How many defenders are nearby
4) How good those defenders are in comparison
5) How close the player is to the play's set distance (short/medium/long)
6) How close the player is to a first down (on 3rd/4th down plays)
7) The player's catching ability
He has to make a vision check to "see" each player, so if he fails the check, a player may go completely unnoticed. He'll then pass to the guy he sees whose risk is furthest under his "acceptable risk" value, which is determined by pressure and how long the play has taken, etc.
Last edited Nov 20, 2008 11:33:27
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The team my WR plays for has just signed a speed guy with 15 in this. I wasn't impressed.
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Originally posted by mikemike778
The team my WR plays for has just signed a speed guy with 15 in this. I wasn't impressed.
Make sure someone on your team has greasemonkey scout script or whatever it is called and monitor his catching ratio. If his ratio is below that of the other WRs, I cut his ass. If he has the highest on the team, you can't fault him.
The team my WR plays for has just signed a speed guy with 15 in this. I wasn't impressed.
Make sure someone on your team has greasemonkey scout script or whatever it is called and monitor his catching ratio. If his ratio is below that of the other WRs, I cut his ass. If he has the highest on the team, you can't fault him.
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Think Dallas Cowboys...TO and Jason Witten.
TO has 15 in Go To Guy. Even though he is double covered, Romo ignores his reads and progressions and throws to him, even though Witten is 1v1 with a LB. Ball ends up incomplete or intercepted. If Romo doesn't throw to him, TO whines and throws a hissy fit on sidelines.
Go To Guy in a nutshell.
TO has 15 in Go To Guy. Even though he is double covered, Romo ignores his reads and progressions and throws to him, even though Witten is 1v1 with a LB. Ball ends up incomplete or intercepted. If Romo doesn't throw to him, TO whines and throws a hissy fit on sidelines.
Go To Guy in a nutshell.
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Originally posted by carumba10
Think Dallas Cowboys...TO and Jason Witten.
TO has 15 in Go To Guy. Even though he is double covered, Romo ignores his reads and progressions and throws to him, even though Witten is 1v1 with a LB. Ball ends up incomplete or intercepted. If Romo doesn't throw to him, TO whines and throws a hissy fit on sidelines.
Go To Guy in a nutshell.
Yes, but in this case, even if TO didn't have G2G and this was happening, I would suggest Witten take G2G. He has better hands and a higher chance at a completion whether he is open or double covered and if his QB is targeting the WR who isn't as reliable it helps balance things out.
Think Dallas Cowboys...TO and Jason Witten.
TO has 15 in Go To Guy. Even though he is double covered, Romo ignores his reads and progressions and throws to him, even though Witten is 1v1 with a LB. Ball ends up incomplete or intercepted. If Romo doesn't throw to him, TO whines and throws a hissy fit on sidelines.
Go To Guy in a nutshell.
Yes, but in this case, even if TO didn't have G2G and this was happening, I would suggest Witten take G2G. He has better hands and a higher chance at a completion whether he is open or double covered and if his QB is targeting the WR who isn't as reliable it helps balance things out.
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altho i think a lot of the stuff with TO is overblown by BSPN who loves to hate him (ratings are king), despite having him on my avatar I have to basically agree with you here lol
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Originally posted by Mob-6
Originally posted by carumba10
Think Dallas Cowboys...TO and Jason Witten.
TO has 15 in Go To Guy. Even though he is double covered, Romo ignores his reads and progressions and throws to him, even though Witten is 1v1 with a LB. Ball ends up incomplete or intercepted. If Romo doesn't throw to him, TO whines and throws a hissy fit on sidelines.
Go To Guy in a nutshell.
Yes, but in this case, even if TO didn't have G2G and this was happening, I would suggest Witten take G2G. He has better hands and a higher chance at a completion whether he is open or double covered and if his QB is targeting the WR who isn't as reliable it helps balance things out.
Because of coverage..matchups..player abilty ....Romo already knows he should be throwing to Witten in that scenario ie the best chance for a completion. When the opponents change up the coverage and only single TO then it's time to throw to him. G2G isn't needed for either. The QB should throw to the guy with the best chance of catching the ball for a specific scenario (coverage).
Yes, I agree BSPNs coverage is BS, and TO isn't as bad as they say. Still, he has to cutout the tantrums on the sidelines when he isn't getting the ball. That's the whole point of the Cowboys offense...pick your poison. Double TO ? Then Witten and others have single coverage, not to mention the running game because there can only be 7 in the box.
Originally posted by carumba10
Think Dallas Cowboys...TO and Jason Witten.
TO has 15 in Go To Guy. Even though he is double covered, Romo ignores his reads and progressions and throws to him, even though Witten is 1v1 with a LB. Ball ends up incomplete or intercepted. If Romo doesn't throw to him, TO whines and throws a hissy fit on sidelines.
Go To Guy in a nutshell.
Yes, but in this case, even if TO didn't have G2G and this was happening, I would suggest Witten take G2G. He has better hands and a higher chance at a completion whether he is open or double covered and if his QB is targeting the WR who isn't as reliable it helps balance things out.
Because of coverage..matchups..player abilty ....Romo already knows he should be throwing to Witten in that scenario ie the best chance for a completion. When the opponents change up the coverage and only single TO then it's time to throw to him. G2G isn't needed for either. The QB should throw to the guy with the best chance of catching the ball for a specific scenario (coverage).
Yes, I agree BSPNs coverage is BS, and TO isn't as bad as they say. Still, he has to cutout the tantrums on the sidelines when he isn't getting the ball. That's the whole point of the Cowboys offense...pick your poison. Double TO ? Then Witten and others have single coverage, not to mention the running game because there can only be 7 in the box.
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yup. i find it amusing to compare the end of the 2007 and 2008 seasons.
at the end of 2007 when TO was injured and the offense struggled, everyone said he was the key to the whole offense because of forcing double coverage, and without him the offense was pedestrian.
at the end of 2008, much of the media and a good chunk of Cowboys nation says TO is the chemistry problem that cost them the season and clamoring for him to be traded.
what a difference a year makes. But I think both are probably overblown reactions.
Personally, I'm excited to see what Miles Austin can do next year.
the real football comparisons only go so far, but anyway, back to the topic, Witten, not TO, is actually Romo's Go-to-Guy, esp on 3rd down, but it is because of his ability, not because Romo is forcing anything to him like he would if he had GTG VA.
which brings up another point. GTG is actually a decision the QB makes, not anything the receiver has direct control over.
unless of course they are roommates supposedly drawing up plays in secret lol.
at the end of 2007 when TO was injured and the offense struggled, everyone said he was the key to the whole offense because of forcing double coverage, and without him the offense was pedestrian.
at the end of 2008, much of the media and a good chunk of Cowboys nation says TO is the chemistry problem that cost them the season and clamoring for him to be traded.
what a difference a year makes. But I think both are probably overblown reactions.
Personally, I'm excited to see what Miles Austin can do next year.
the real football comparisons only go so far, but anyway, back to the topic, Witten, not TO, is actually Romo's Go-to-Guy, esp on 3rd down, but it is because of his ability, not because Romo is forcing anything to him like he would if he had GTG VA.
which brings up another point. GTG is actually a decision the QB makes, not anything the receiver has direct control over.
unless of course they are roommates supposedly drawing up plays in secret lol.
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Originally posted by tetura
which brings up another point. GTG is actually a decision the QB makes, not anything the receiver has direct control over.
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In theory the decision who the QB is going to throw to is usually decided before the ball is snapped. They are coached over and over....if you see this coverage, for this play, you should be throwing to X. Obviously sometimes the play breaks down or the defense has disguised their coverage well. Then all bets are off.
which brings up another point. GTG is actually a decision the QB makes, not anything the receiver has direct control over.
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In theory the decision who the QB is going to throw to is usually decided before the ball is snapped. They are coached over and over....if you see this coverage, for this play, you should be throwing to X. Obviously sometimes the play breaks down or the defense has disguised their coverage well. Then all bets are off.
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Originally posted by Bukowski
Honestly, I think it's kind of a selfish thing to have.
And yeah, I think it's counterproductive, because the QB will be forcing you the ball, when he wouldn't normally have.
Honestly, I think it's kind of a selfish thing to have.
And yeah, I think it's counterproductive, because the QB will be forcing you the ball, when he wouldn't normally have.
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