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i just created a FS and i have never made a Safety before so could somebody give me some build advice.

Focus on speed, vision and agility (all to the second softcap at least).

Start by training speed+agility till you can softcap speed. Then change training to agility+vision and second- (or third-) cap speed. After that, softcap and second- (or third-) cap vision while training agility+stamina. Finally work agility while training strength+tackling, jumping+catching or stamina+confidence.

Have early gear (lv. 0, 8 and 16) into stamina, tackling and strength to make up for the missing points there. Then as you get stamina, strength and tackling up, change gear to all speed.

this is what to shoot for (including gear) by the time you're level 28ish

Safety:
Speed: 90
Agility: 61
Vision: 49
Tackling: 49
Strength: 49

Suggested Training: Jumping, Catching, Confidence

Originally posted by superfly_cox
this is what to shoot for (including gear) by the time you're level 28ish

Safety:
Speed: 90
Agility: 61
Vision: 49
Tackling: 49
Strength: 49

Suggested Training: Jumping, Catching, Confidence

I'd rather have 49 jumping and train strength
maybe higher vision as well

I'd shoot for having speed, agility, and vision 2nd capped.

Originally posted by superfly_cox
this is what to shoot for (including gear) by the time you're level 28ish

Safety:
Speed: 90
Agility: 61
Vision: 49
Tackling: 49
Strength: 49

Suggested Training: Jumping, Catching, Confidence

i'd rather get AGI to 68 and VIS to 60 before worrying about getting STR/TAK that high.

Originally posted by PollardsVision
Originally posted by superfly_cox
this is what to shoot for (including gear) by the time you're level 28ish

Safety:
Speed: 90
Agility: 61
Vision: 49
Tackling: 49
Strength: 49

Suggested Training: Jumping, Catching, Confidencei'd rather get AGI to 68 and VIS to 60 before worrying about getting STR/TAK that high.
-1

Spend 11 levels getting the points to do that = waste.

thanks alot i just dont wanna screw him up like i screwed up some of my other first time players

Originally posted by amerker
thanks alot i just dont wanna screw him up like i screwed up some of my other first time players

Then ignore the masses that think a WR build works at FS.

90 speed and 60 agility = problems with body control. No focus on jumping = lower ints and less pass deflections.

Shoot for 49 in speed, agility, vision, jumping, catching, stamina.. then work speed and agility and vision to 62.

In the meantime, you try to train up confidence, strength, and tackling to a respectable 40ish level.

Take the SA Super Vision as your primary SA, get that to at least 5, working it up to max eventually.. or at least around 8.

For equipment, balance it between Speed and agility to be near equal to have perfect speed and acceleration control for taking the necessary angles to get to your assignment.

VAs should probably be Football Genius and then Zone specialist, but allow yourself creativity to be what you want to be and do what works for your defense.

Obviously that's just one way, but there's a reason guys have 90 speed and 50 agility and still don't have an impact at their position. It's because the build is extremely overrated. It's a WR build, not a FS build.

Originally posted by secondeye
Originally posted by amerker
thanks alot i just dont wanna screw him up like i screwed up some of my other first time playersThen ignore the masses that think a WR build works at FS.

90 speed and 60 agility = problems with body control. No focus on jumping = lower ints and less pass deflections.

Shoot for 49 in speed, agility, vision, jumping, catching, stamina.. then work speed and agility and vision to 62.

In the meantime, you try to train up confidence, strength, and tackling to a respectable 40ish level.

Take the SA Super Vision as your primary SA, get that to at least 5, working it up to max eventually.. or at least around 8.

For equipment, balance it between Speed and agility to be near equal to have perfect speed and acceleration control for taking the necessary angles to get to your assignment.

VAs should probably be Football Genius and then Zone specialist, but allow yourself creativity to be what you want to be and do what works for your defense.

Obviously that's just one way, but there's a reason guys have 90 speed and 50 agility and still don't have an impact at their position. It's because the build is extremely overrated. It's a WR build, not a FS build.
This guy knows things. Tweak some things and follow many he said.

Once I double cap speed, vision, and agility at ~61, the only time I am going to touch them again is going to be Vet Points and equipment. Skill points will be used to pump up other attributes such as stamina, tackling, jumping... for a FS.

Originally posted by secondeye
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90 speed and 60 agility = problems with body control. ...

Whenever I hear this rumor, it makes me laugh. ANY evidence for that?

(...it's basically the excuse for 80 speed guys giving up TD passes: "Yeah I know, but I needed to close that speed-agility gap...")

((speed-agility gap: someone back in like season 2 blamed high speed to cause problems; in fact, it was a problem with low agility of like 40 or 50))

Proof me wrong! Come on... give it a try!

obviously, there are some that vehemently disagree with my belief that all SP should go to the big 3 until SPD/AGI are both at 68 and VIS is at 60. that's fine and that's the fun of this game, but here's why i think it's the way to go.

1- not the most important reason, but they are more effective early on (BBB and A leagues).

i've seen FSs that stop at the softcap on the big 3 and even playing against low level 20 players, they are a liability in coverage. a FS working towards 68-68-60 will dominate in the early leagues b/c the younger offensive players simply do not have the ability to exploit the areas they are weak in.

2- the more important reason is that it's a much better long-term approach, too.

you are taking advantage of the auto-leveling gains while getting better use out of your training. there are alot of the things to train for a FS, so the time spent using SP in SPD/AGI/VIS allows plenty of time to train JMP/CTH/STM/STR/TAK before you are ready to use SP on them.


you can get to 68-68-60 by level 30.
this will ensure that your FS has all of his ballhawking skills taken care and he'll rarely run into a FS who's better in those areas for the rest of his career (his final 7 seasons).
all of the areas that he's still weak in can corrected relatively quickly and before defenses can really exploit them.

this is a level 28 who's almost there:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=923668
sure, he's got some weaknesses, but i don't know of too many lvl. 28's i'd rather have and there will be even fewer by the time he gets in the late 30's.
if he's tackling a great power back all game, he'll have trouble, but if the FS is dealing with the power back all game, there are more important issues for the defense to worry about.

Originally posted by PollardsVision
obviously, there are some that vehemently disagree with my belief that all SP should go to the big 3 until SPD/AGI are both at 68 and VIS is at 60. that's fine and that's the fun of this game, but here's why i think it's the way to go.

1- not the most important reason, but they are more effective early on (BBB and A leagues).

i've seen FSs that stop at the softcap on the big 3 and even playing against low level 20 players, they are a liability in coverage. a FS working towards 68-68-60 will dominate in the early leagues b/c the younger offensive players simply do not have the ability to exploit the areas they are weak in.

2- the more important reason is that it's a much better long-term approach, too.

you are taking advantage of the auto-leveling gains while getting better use out of your training. there are alot of the things to train for a FS, so the time spent using SP in SPD/AGI/VIS allows plenty of time to train JMP/CTH/STM/STR/TAK before you are ready to use SP on them.


you can get to 68-68-60 by level 30.
this will ensure that your FS has all of his ballhawking skills taken care and he'll rarely run into a FS who's better in those areas for the rest of his career (his final 7 seasons).
all of the areas that he's still weak in can corrected relatively quickly and before defenses can really exploit them.

this is a level 28 who's almost there:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=923668
sure, he's got some weaknesses, but i don't know of too many lvl. 28's i'd rather have and there will be even fewer by the time he gets in the late 30's.
if he's tackling a great power back all game, he'll have trouble, but if the FS is dealing with the power back all game, there are more important issues for the defense to worry about.


+1
very sound argument so i wont waste time adding anything to it

There are people who disagree that Speed/Agi should be at the 3rd cap & Vision should be at the 2nd cap before SPs go elsewhere????????? I thought this was commonly accepted logic at this point with little-to-no opposition. There is more than 1 way to skin a cat obviously....but at this position you are going to benefit more from high speed, high agility & high vision than other attributes. If you want them above 48 in the long run anyway why not do it early and capitalize on the level-up bonus? It seems illogical to approach it differently...unless you think Jumping or Tackling should be 67 and spend all your SP there first...then you're not illogical you're just beyond help.

Originally posted by gcmont
There are people who disagree that Speed/Agi should be at the 3rd cap & Vision should be at the 2nd cap before SPs go elsewhere????????? I thought this was commonly accepted logic at this point with little-to-no opposition. There is more than 1 way to skin a cat obviously....but at this position you are going to benefit more from high speed, high agility & high vision than other attributes. If you want them above 48 in the long run anyway why not do it early and capitalize on the level-up bonus? It seems illogical to approach it differently...unless you think Jumping or Tackling should be 67 and spend all your SP there first...then you're not illogical you're just beyond help.
I am pumping Agi/Spd/Vis to ~61 or so and not touching them again. My equipment and vet points will boost those three for the rest of my career. I disagree that any of those need to be pumped to ~68+ naturally at the early juncture of a FS/SS career. I guarantee that my safety will be just as effective, if not more, than the 68+ guys.