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On my FS I've 2nd capped speed/agility/vision
what do you think would be the best course of action after?
Tackling, Jumping, Confidence, Strength, SAs, 3rd capping speed. Any suggestions I'd love to hear them

3rd cap all 3 while training str and tackling

Originally posted by aotke1110
3rd cap all 3 while training str and tackling
Horrible idea, simply horrible.

2nd capping is all you need to worry about. You are now in Vet points and those can supplement one of your three main skills as you gain the vet points.

For a FS, work on Stamina and Confidence while training tackling/strength or put skill points into those and train stamina with something or confidence with something.

Depending on what your equipment is in... use Vet points to help the other three.

Originally posted by aotke1110
3rd cap all 3 while training str and tackling

+1. not a horrible idea at all, you will definitely want them all 3rd capped by mid 30's

3 Cap Speed/Agility. So much vision can only do so much. 60 is plenty.

Train Tackling/Confidence/Jumping. Strength is overrated for FS.

Best SA's are Change Direction, Closing Speed, and Super Vision.

Originally posted by Riggs_Inator
3 Cap Speed/Agility. So much vision can only do so much. 60 is plenty.

Train Tackling/Confidence/Jumping. Strength is overrated for FS.

Best SA's are Change Direction, Closing Speed, and Super Vision.

+1

Originally posted by UMRocks
Originally posted by aotke1110
3rd cap all 3 while training str and tackling+1. not a horrible idea at all, you will definitely want them all 3rd capped by mid 30's
It is a horrible idea. You are telling someone to spend their first 28-33 levels building up three skills and only three skills all the while neglecting many other important aspects to that player.

If someone is going to spend that amount of time building those three skills, most if not all of their other skills are going to be less than 20. A level 32, any player, with less than 20 in stamina is just about useless as is a FS with less than 20 in confidence, tackling, strength and stamina. So, that player needs to spend the next ~10 levels building those up just to now become a viable player that can help a team in the whole game.

Give me a FS that caps those three stats at ~60 each with a soft cap stamina, so he can play the whole game and be effective and I will show you a winning team. A team with a 68/68/68 FS is going to have to carry at least 3 FS's to fill that spot during the whole game. But, hey, if you want to spend the first 32 levels of your players career along with the first 4 seasons of that players career building up three skills... have fun with that.

Personally, I agree with Challenge everything that you probably don't need all three to be at third cap right away. Eventually you'll want them all to be up there, but if you completely neglect all your secondaries you aren't going to be effective.

What I might do is 3rd cap one of the attributes (IMO speed), but more likely I would cap some secondaries like strength/tackling/jumping--pick whichever you prefer.

A few things I wouldn't do:

~Ever spend a SP in stamina. It's somewhat important in that if you don't have a backup and you have 20 stamina you're screwed, but honestly if you have a backup and a good DC there's not much reason you should spend a bunch of SP in stamina. I would train stamina if you're having problems, but spending SP there is inefficient for your build.

~Spend in SAs.

~3rd cap everything. This is tremendously expensive in terms of SP. It will take you around 16 levels of SP to get everything to the third cap natural (probably slightly less time due to leveling gains). Even if it takes 12, you're going to have a really unbalanced player that whole time who will probably miss tackles, get jumped over, and take confidence hits.

~Ever 3rd cap vision. I just don't think this is an efficient use of SP. You get diminishing returns--your SP would be better served in agility or speed.

There doesn't seem to be a whole lot of agreement. Here's my build if it helps. I have 6 SP available.

Attributes
Physical Attributes
Strength: 24.16
Speed: 85.8--63.8 natural
Agility: 60.8
Jumping: 29.16
Stamina: 29.8
Vision: 62.2
Confidence: 15.16

Football Skills
Blocking: 14.16
Catching: 22.8
Tackling: 32.8
Throwing: 9
Carrying: 14.16
Kicking: 8
Punting: 8

Special Abilities----custom EQ +1 for coverage.
Coverage Abilities
First Step: 2
Change Direction: 2
Swat Ball: 2
Superior Vision: 1
Shutdown Coverage: 1

Hard Hitter Abilities
Wrap Up Tackle: 0
Diving Tackle: 0
Growl: 0
Big Hit: 0
Closing Speed: 0

oops double post

Originally posted by UMRocks
Originally posted by aotke1110

3rd cap all 3 while training str and tackling

+1. not a horrible idea at all, you will definitely want them all 3rd capped by mid 30's

yea if you want 15 strength and 25 tackling to handle those powerbacks

Originally posted by r87
Originally posted by UMRocks

Originally posted by aotke1110


3rd cap all 3 while training str and tackling

+1. not a horrible idea at all, you will definitely want them all 3rd capped by mid 30's

yea if you want 15 strength and 25 tackling to handle those powerbacks

I have 24 strength and 33 tackling. Obviously not ideal, but I'd appreciate it if you made slightly more relevent comments to my build.

Originally posted by cmart102
Originally posted by r87

Originally posted by UMRocks


Originally posted by aotke1110



3rd cap all 3 while training str and tackling

+1. not a horrible idea at all, you will definitely want them all 3rd capped by mid 30's

yea if you want 15 strength and 25 tackling to handle those powerbacks

I have 24 strength and 33 tackling. Obviously not ideal, but I'd appreciate it if you made slightly more relevent comments to my build.

You're also not 3rd capped at any of those three attributes and can't be for all three by your mid-30s so the post he was responding to was equally irrelevant. If I had your build, I'd leave Vision as is and work up Agility or Speed to the 3rd cap next.

Originally posted by Challenge Everything

If someone is going to spend that amount of time building those three skills, most if not all of their other skills are going to be less than 20. A level 32, any player, with less than 20 in stamina is just about useless as is a FS with less than 20 in confidence, tackling, strength and stamina. So, that player needs to spend the next ~10 levels building those up just to now become a viable player that can help a team in the whole game.

Give me a FS that caps those three stats at ~60 each with a soft cap stamina, so he can play the whole game and be effective and I will show you a winning team. A team with a 68/68/68 FS is going to have to carry at least 3 FS's to fill that spot during the whole game. But, hey, if you want to spend the first 32 levels of your players career along with the first 4 seasons of that players career building up three skills... have fun with that.

You are the one who is wrong. Absolutely wrong. Free safeties get .40 in the good stuff. My level 23 is sitting at

Attributes

Physical Attributes
Strength: 18.67
Speed: 85.7 (66.7)
Agility: 65.67
Jumping: 23.67
Stamina: 26.7
Vision: 51.7
Confidence: 13.67

Football Skills
Blocking: 13.67
Catching: 27.7
Tackling: 24.7
Throwing: 8
Carrying: 13.67
Kicking: 8
Punting: 8

I am not going to 3rd cap vision. That is something I don't agree with. But it's certainly obvious by the time he gets to level 32 all his stats will be in the 30's and stamina will be trained past 30. By level 32 I could feasibly have 68/68/61 with no problems, and have 35 stamina catching jumping and tackling. Depending on if and when I want str it will be at least 25-30. Also depends on if I want to go that direction, which I don't.

Originally posted by UnderDogs
Originally posted by Challenge Everything
If someone is going to spend that amount of time building those three skills, most if not all of their other skills are going to be less than 20. A level 32, any player, with less than 20 in stamina is just about useless as is a FS with less than 20 in confidence, tackling, strength and stamina. So, that player needs to spend the next ~10 levels building those up just to now become a viable player that can help a team in the whole game.

Give me a FS that caps those three stats at ~60 each with a soft cap stamina, so he can play the whole game and be effective and I will show you a winning team. A team with a 68/68/68 FS is going to have to carry at least 3 FS's to fill that spot during the whole game. But, hey, if you want to spend the first 32 levels of your players career along with the first 4 seasons of that players career building up three skills... have fun with that. You are the one who is wrong. Absolutely wrong. Free safeties get .40 in the good stuff. My level 23 is sitting at

Attributes

Physical Attributes
Strength: 18.67
Speed: 85.7 (66.7)
Agility: 65.67
Jumping: 23.67
Stamina: 26.7
Vision: 51.7
Confidence: 13.67

Football Skills
Blocking: 13.67
Catching: 27.7
Tackling: 24.7
Throwing: 8
Carrying: 13.67
Kicking: 8
Punting: 8

I am not going to 3rd cap vision. That is something I don't agree with. But it's certainly obvious by the time he gets to level 32 all his stats will be in the 30's and stamina will be trained past 30. By level 32 I could feasibly have 68/68/61 with no problems, and have 35 stamina catching jumping and tackling. Depending on if and when I want str it will be at least 25-30. Also depends on if I want to go that direction, which I don't.
That is good for you, you may have slow built the guy more than new players might. But, you must not have checked your skill lately because after level 21 you do not get .4 for the "good ones." And, after level 29 you receive even less.

Redo your math and take into account every one else who says to "triple cap vision" which will be many more levels than your current 23... than talk to me about having to be in the high 20's or early 30's before you use skill points in other skills.

Thank you for playing but do the research first before claiming your thoughts to be right.
http://www.glbwiki.com/index.php?title=Leveling

And, looking at your guy in question... you did super slow build him for 2+ years so your stats do not accurately depict what one season of slow building will produce. Try again.

Depending where your training meters are you would be able to hit triple caps for each of them by level 30 and that is with a super slow built person (2+ years of training). Are you telling me everyone should super slow build their FS to simply have those triple capped by level 30 in order to play the game in a correct way? That is ludicrous.

By level 24 I can have the big three capped at 60+ at which time I can supplement those three with vet points that will roll in from my next level. Than, if using level 32 is standard now, I will have 40 skill points to use in other attributes instead of a possible 10 (compared to the super slow built) or even less compared to the simply slow built player. Give me the player with 60/60/60 with other skills enhanced and that is going to be the better player.

I also find it funny how many people consider raising vision up high has a diminishing return or lack of effectiveness... do these same people believe this about speed and other skills? Logically, if one believes it about vision, they will have to believe it about other skills as well.