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yes i am one of the people that have come to hate randy for his "efforts" to "better" the league.

These posts explain why:

Originally posted by kenyon1977
Originally posted by Randy03Texags


I really dont have the time or energy or desire to take care of things for the league, pretty much every season I want to quit GLB because Im sick of all the work I have to do to stay as competitive as my team is and then on top of it, I have to write things for the league, advertise and rep our league and then try to fix problems such as owners not selling when they should. Personally Id LOVE to just be able to concentrate on my team, I barely have enough time for that as it is.

Other than that, I have been terribly unsuccessful in my attempts to improve the league within the architecture of the game. The only things I have been successful with are my writeups, which the same thin skinned people who got upset at my desire to improve the league got upset with.

I might write something up again this season, as I havent seen anyone else that has added positive content to EE Pro like that in a long time, but we will see .. I also just think there is a vocal minority in EE Pro that wants to complain about things and right now Im the cool trend to complain about, Im sure in a few days it will be what Bort "nerfed" this season, or what Bort fucked up this season, if that isnt the trend already.


Randy that's just it, right there. Who in the hell appointed you commish of the league? Who decided that you needed to fix anything? Who the hell said anything was broke? Maybe some teams like the break when playing a cupcake now and then. Keep your dick feelers off the damn league and just worry about your team.

As far as your write ups go, in the past and early seasons of GLB they were informative and usually got some people arguing about the teams, then as the seasons went on and there was less competition for you (no doubt having something to do with no one leaving your team and chemistry) your write ups started to get jaded. You would write up, "so and so has not done the required work for recruiting and shouldn't even be in the league"" etc etc. who the hell wants to read that but yourself, your teammates, and possibly the owners of a couple other teams?

Get back to basics and stop self appointing yourself to babysit the league. It is what it is. A lot of guys stopped posting in the forum because they can't have fun anymore. Everything is so serious, and when someone even makes a good point some asshole runs in and corrects their spelling or some shit.

Either way, stop making yourself out to be a martyr, and if this isn't the level of competition you want move your team or gut them and start over, see how good you are when you actually have to recruit a full squad.


Originally posted by HoustonMark

I'm not sure how that last post fits into the rest of this...I'm finding it difficult to figure out why you said that at all. We can only beat someone one way here...dots. We are ALL here to play with dots. You run your mouth, we ask that you to put up or shut up...and you do neither. We're willing to take on your Misc anytime you're ready...but instead, you continue to flap your gums like you always do. Let's try to do this in the form others seem to be taking these days:

u scurred brah?

ok im willing to give a serious reply to this.
First of all: yes we all play this game and the dots. if i didnt like the game i wouldnt still be playing it.
there is a difference between casually playing a game and getting too serious about it.

Randy spoiled some of the fun with his little stint about crying to bort about how there were gutted teams and there being a serious need for a relegation.

he never stopped to think about other teams/owners/gms other than himself/his.
did he ever think about how some people dont mind playing 1 or 2 gutted teams during the season as a means to have a little break from gameplanning and stuff? I am by the way not the first nor only person to mention this.
He shouldnt have intervened with how the relegations work and just have them do their thing.

Who cares about the name EE Pro gets in the rest of GLB because of a couple gutted teams? The casual players dont. I dont. most people dont. They are here to have fun with the dots, not to obsess over them
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Please keep this thread somewhat serious.

I'm not really sure what kind of response you're trying to elicit here.

Originally posted by serialced

Who cares about the name EE Pro gets in the rest of GLB because of a couple gutted teams? The casual players dont. I dont. most people dont. They are here to have fun with the dots

What I ask you, is why can't the teams that excel play in the Pros, while the more casual teams do not? Why can't they play in AAA, AA or lower? What gives a team the right to play in the Pros?

Just copying from my reply in the other thread.

This is cool, a real reply.

I understand this, but if you think Randy can dictate who to relegate and who not to, then so can you. If you dont like what he does, then you write to Bort. Discussing the state of the league is a trademark of Randy - agreed - but if you add constructively to the discussion, then I bet this league could get alot better.

About not gameplanning vs. cupcakes. I can understand this, but if you own a team - I didnt look to check if you did - then you decided this for yourself. I doubt Randy told you to buy a team in EE? Decisions have consequences, and if you dont think you can leave your AI and tacs untouched for one week without the skies falling down on your team, then maybe you are taking the game too serious. I know Raider puts in stuff for almost every game, but a serious gameplanning session, that happens maybe twice a season on our team. But this issue about time, this is an issue with the game. It is the game "dictating" you to spent time gameplanning. More and more gameplanning features are added, all adding to the need for an eye for details. How much is needed to keep the game fun is a fine line, and I think this is a discussion worht having. But stop fooling yourself, this has NOTHING to do with Randy.

The old saying has some truth to it - dont hate the player, hate the game.

Originally posted by Jumpingjak
Just copying from my reply in the other thread.

This is cool, a real reply.

I understand this, but if you think Randy can dictate who to relegate and who not to, then so can you. If you dont like what he does, then you write to Bort. Discussing the state of the league is a trademark of Randy - agreed - but if you add constructively to the discussion, then I bet this league could get alot better.

About not gameplanning vs. cupcakes. I can understand this, but if you own a team - I didnt look to check if you did - then you decided this for yourself. I doubt Randy told you to buy a team in EE? Decisions have consequences, and if you dont think you can leave your AI and tacs untouched for one week without the skies falling down on your team, then maybe you are taking the game too serious. I know Raider puts in stuff for almost every game, but a serious gameplanning session, that happens maybe twice a season on our team. But this issue about time, this is an issue with the game. It is the game "dictating" you to spent time gameplanning. More and more gameplanning features are added, all adding to the need for an eye for details. How much is needed to keep the game fun is a fine line, and I think this is a discussion worht having. But stop fooling yourself, this has NOTHING to do with Randy.

The old saying has some truth to it - dont hate the player, hate the game.

Yes i own a team but it is a slowbuilding team. I actually do the gameplanning for Misctanbul.
The issue isnt about GLB itself, its about tact and randy not being the only owner in ee pro.
The issue is clearly with randy because he DIDNT let glb run the way it was supposed to run (ie gutted teams move down over time)

He went out of his way to contact bort without asking other owners for their opinion. We all pay for GLB, we should have an equal saying in this. Not just randy by himself. if anyone else wanted the same thing like randy, there would have been an automatic discussion in the forums. This didnt happen so i guess the other owners had no problems with it or didnt see it as big enough an issue to take action.

he wanted to move teams down that were not bottom 2 or owned by the CPU, that's were the line got crossed.

Originally posted by phthalatemagic
Originally posted by serialced


Who cares about the name EE Pro gets in the rest of GLB because of a couple gutted teams? The casual players dont. I dont. most people dont. They are here to have fun with the dots

What I ask you, is why can't the teams that excel play in the Pros, while the more casual teams do not? Why can't they play in AAA, AA or lower? What gives a team the right to play in the Pros?

100% this. You guys can rake Randy over the coals but a lot of teams take the dots as serious as you can.

Hella's have relationships with EE Org (who were demoted and Hella's moved up) and Dogdandy Dragons. Hell, we rubbed each other the wrong way when we were promoted in AAA. I think we've well moved past this and have no problems with each other.

Whether you agree with Randy's approach or not - I don't even know the guy since we just got here - I'm not going to complain about making our Pro league the best out there. Tact or not, I'm glad someone steps up to make it better in the long run.

The promotion/relegation process is broken. The idea is grand, but it takes too long to auto correct. No one sane can argue this IMO.

Misc has a great team. I've conversed with them since AA days .. but this crusade against Randy is just stupid now. You guys want to say he is taking the fun out of this league ... the other side is hijacking every thread. It doesn't matter which side is "right" because at this point the "other" side is "wrong".

Flame away

Originally posted by evileyez
Originally posted by phthalatemagic

Originally posted by serialced



Who cares about the name EE Pro gets in the rest of GLB because of a couple gutted teams? The casual players dont. I dont. most people dont. They are here to have fun with the dots

What I ask you, is why can't the teams that excel play in the Pros, while the more casual teams do not? Why can't they play in AAA, AA or lower? What gives a team the right to play in the Pros?

100% this. You guys can rake Randy over the coals but a lot of teams take the dots as serious as you can.

Hella's have relationships with EE Org (who were demoted and Hella's moved up) and Dogdandy Dragons. Hell, we rubbed each other the wrong way when we were promoted in AAA. I think we've well moved past this and have no problems with each other.

Whether you agree with Randy's approach or not - I don't even know the guy since we just got here - I'm not going to complain about making our Pro league the best out there. Tact or not, I'm glad someone steps up to make it better in the long run.

The promotion/relegation process is broken. The idea is grand, but it takes too long to auto correct. No one sane can argue this IMO.

Misc has a great team. I've conversed with them since AA days .. but this crusade against Randy is just stupid now. You guys want to say he is taking the fun out of this league ... the other side is hijacking every thread. It doesn't matter which side is "right" because at this point the "other" side is "wrong".

Flame away

if he can decide on his own what happens to the league and by doing so spoil the fun for a couple owners/teams (the misc is not alone in thinking this) then it is our right as paying members to react to this. The game itself is still fun but it used to be more fun. I have never had any probs with randy before this. Him doing this made me hate him which obviously took away part of the fun. Now im getting my well paid for fun back on the forums.

If he wants to be in the spotlights, no problem. Just dont start crying when not all reactions are positive.

Bort decided. Just because Randy brought it to his attention doesn't change the fact that Bort made the final call. Hell, even my owner put it all back in Borts court!

Color me biased since the team I'm on benefited; it doesn't matter much to me.

Originally posted by Jumpingjak


I understand this, but if you think Randy can dictate who to relegate and who not to, then so can you. If you dont like what he does, then you write to Bort.

That's great, but nobody should HAVE to do that. There is a system in place for handling promotion and relegation. If you don't like the system then you need to figure out something better and run THAT by Bort so that it can be applied across the board. The fact 1 owner out of 32 takes the time and thinks he has some sway to get Bort to make decisions outside of that system is ridiculous. The fact that Bort would do any more than say "thanks, but there's a system already in place" is even more ridiculous.

The bottom line is Randy makes up 3.1% of the owners in this league. He has no special power, and no special role. He's an owner, that's it. He can post whatever he wants, pm whoever he wants, but at the end of the day, he needs to be treated as what he is...... 1 of 32.

Originally posted by serialced
Originally posted by evileyez

Originally posted by phthalatemagic


Originally posted by serialced




Who cares about the name EE Pro gets in the rest of GLB because of a couple gutted teams? The casual players dont. I dont. most people dont. They are here to have fun with the dots

What I ask you, is why can't the teams that excel play in the Pros, while the more casual teams do not? Why can't they play in AAA, AA or lower? What gives a team the right to play in the Pros?

100% this. You guys can rake Randy over the coals but a lot of teams take the dots as serious as you can.

Hella's have relationships with EE Org (who were demoted and Hella's moved up) and Dogdandy Dragons. Hell, we rubbed each other the wrong way when we were promoted in AAA. I think we've well moved past this and have no problems with each other.

Whether you agree with Randy's approach or not - I don't even know the guy since we just got here - I'm not going to complain about making our Pro league the best out there. Tact or not, I'm glad someone steps up to make it better in the long run.

The promotion/relegation process is broken. The idea is grand, but it takes too long to auto correct. No one sane can argue this IMO.

Misc has a great team. I've conversed with them since AA days .. but this crusade against Randy is just stupid now. You guys want to say he is taking the fun out of this league ... the other side is hijacking every thread. It doesn't matter which side is "right" because at this point the "other" side is "wrong".

Flame away

if he can decide on his own what happens to the league and by doing so spoil the fun for a couple owners/teams (the misc is not alone in thinking this) then it is our right as paying members to react to this. The game itself is still fun but it used to be more fun. I have never had any probs with randy before this. Him doing this made me hate him which obviously took away part of the fun. Now im getting my well paid for fun back on the forums.

If he wants to be in the spotlights, no problem. Just dont start crying when not all reactions are positive.

But he doesn't decide. Bort decides. If the only pm Bort got was from Randy, how is he to know that the rest of EE Pro disagrees? Did you send Bort a msg? Did kenyon? Does Bort know what any of you think?

Sounds like you guys need to ream Bort .. he is the one that did whatever Randy suggests - as you say.

Hit Bort in the wallet - stop boosting; sell your team. What does this forum BS accomplish?

Originally posted by evileyez
What does this forum BS accomplish?

It was proved pretty clearly this offseason that the squeaky wheel is what gets attention, not rationale or consensus of owners. I would say this thread is a good start towards that.

Originally posted by NotRippedYet
Originally posted by Jumpingjak



I understand this, but if you think Randy can dictate who to relegate and who not to, then so can you. If you dont like what he does, then you write to Bort.

That's great, but nobody should HAVE to do that. There is a system in place for handling promotion and relegation. If you don't like the system then you need to figure out something better and run THAT by Bort so that it can be applied across the board. The fact 1 owner out of 32 takes the time and thinks he has some sway to get Bort to make decisions outside of that system is ridiculous. The fact that Bort would do any more than say "thanks, but there's a system already in place" is even more ridiculous.

The bottom line is Randy makes up 3.1% of the owners in this league. He has no special power, and no special role. He's an owner, that's it. He can post whatever he wants, pm whoever he wants, but at the end of the day, he needs to be treated as what he is...... 1 of 32.

"I believe this is the exact reason people do not like Randy. He feals he is above everyone else and is more important than everyone else."

Originally posted by serialced


if he can decide on his own what happens to the league and by doing so spoil the fun for a couple owners/teams (the misc is not alone in thinking this) then it is our right as paying members to react to this. The game itself is still fun but it used to be more fun. I have never had any probs with randy before this. Him doing this made me hate him which obviously took away part of the fun. Now im getting my well paid for fun back on the forums.

If he wants to be in the spotlights, no problem. Just dont start crying when not all reactions are positive.

You keep saying misc is not alone in thinking this, but Randy wasn't alone in thinking that a team full of cpu players and level 1s should not be in pros. You are more than likely out numbered on that thinking. Maybe saying that the Tigers (and a few others) should go down was a bit extreme, but I think that was more so him just expressing his opinion rather than demanding they go down.

And the decision was not Randys... it was Borts. If the decision was Randys then the Dragons would of went down too. Anyone that disagreed with Randy should of sent a PM to support (just like Randy) and expressed their feelings about it.