Warrior General Games

The title says it all, doesn't it? When it comes right down to it, aren't all of us power backs fretting over the same choice--whether to improve the base attributes involved in breaking a tackle (Strength, Agility, and a little bit of speed) when applying our Veteran Ability points versus going straight to the Veteran Abilities that purport to do so (Bruiser, Short Yardage, etc).

In this thread, I'd love to hear folks opinions as to which route they're leaning. Are you going to continue to "build your base", or are you buying "Breaking Tackles" straight off the shelf (so to speak)?

I went straight for Bruiser with my HB. +45% to break tackle ability was just too irresistable to me. I'm anxiously awaiting the start of the season so I can see what kind of impact it had.

they're BOTH very important. I like base abilities more, though, at earlier levels, because for as low as it is, it is still a benefit to gain little bits of SPs through natural leveling to take you past the cap. if you got speed and strength up to 68 before, say, level 20, then by level 32 they'd be both around 70ish. that might not be a whole lot, but the SPs that it would cost for somebody who waited to get their strength and speed up to 68 to 70 would be 16 points.

in a game of numbers, i'll take any slight advantage I can get, even if it means you might break more tackles than me earlier in your career. I'll be better later in my career for it.

Haven't seen high agility do shit for power backs so I'd bank on high strength + speed getting the job done.

But I believe there is an unknown point where between 0 and 15 points in the Veteran Abilities, Bruiser becomes less effective than Workout Warrior. If I had 20 VP to spend, I'd go like 10 WW 10 Bruiser rather than 5 WW 15 Bruiser (just an example). No one knows the equilibrium point or ideal ratio for a given build but I understand the difference between a 90 strength HB and a 100 strength HB is huge.

Originally posted by Jack Del Rio
Haven't seen high agility do shit for power backs so I'd bank on high strength + speed getting the job done.

you mean other than help in acceleration?

Originally posted by rmiller517
Originally posted by Jack Del Rio

Haven't seen high agility do shit for power backs so I'd bank on high strength + speed getting the job done.

you mean other than help in acceleration?


I've had one well-known builder tell me that agility was key to having a broken tackle--that strength gave you the chance to "pop" the tackler and that agility was what kept the runner on his feet after delivering the blow.

Originally posted by Larry Roadgrader
Originally posted by rmiller517

Originally posted by Jack Del Rio


Haven't seen high agility do shit for power backs so I'd bank on high strength + speed getting the job done.

you mean other than help in acceleration?


I've had one well-known builder tell me that agility was key to having a broken tackle--that strength gave you the chance to "pop" the tackler and that agility was what kept the runner on his feet after delivering the blow.


It sounds like he's trying to describe real football, not GLB
I'm all about strength/speed/agility at 100+/70+/50+ being the winning combination for power backs. You'd be surprised how well you keep moving after breaking a tackle at 70 speed. Little agility is required. As an added bonus, you move around with speed that is unheard of for having that kind of strength to go with it, or vice versa, strength that is unheard of for having that kind of speed.

Originally posted by Jack Del Rio
Originally posted by Larry Roadgrader

Originally posted by rmiller517


Originally posted by Jack Del Rio



Haven't seen high agility do shit for power backs so I'd bank on high strength + speed getting the job done.

you mean other than help in acceleration?


I've had one well-known builder tell me that agility was key to having a broken tackle--that strength gave you the chance to "pop" the tackler and that agility was what kept the runner on his feet after delivering the blow.


It sounds like he's trying to describe real football, not GLB
I'm all about strength/speed/agility at 100+/70+/50+ being the winning combination for power backs. You'd be surprised how well you keep moving after breaking a tackle at 70 speed. Little agility is required. As an added bonus, you move around with speed that is unheard of for having that kind of strength to go with it, or vice versa, strength that is unheard of for having that kind of speed.

i agree with that. up to a point, its not too much more useful. i'm going to up mine to 60 and invest in some quick cut.

usefulness for a power back, i'd give agility a 5/10. meaning you need it but not as much as an elusive needs it, since they need alot of it to break tackles, which is why we have strength.

My HB was originally a textbook powerback, then he was a "downhill runner," and now he's something different entirely. That said, I think bruiser's going to pan out as a waste of VPs. My suspicion is that many people are going to be surprised at how little the roll-based SAs really activate. You could probably compile a pool of tackles attempted vs. tackles broken over half a season or so and get a rough estimate of your break tackle percentage, but there's a lot more that goes into it (defender's strength/tackling, etc).

Originally posted by OMGWTF
My HB was originally a textbook powerback, then he was a "downhill runner," and now he's something different entirely. That said, I think bruiser's going to pan out as a waste of VPs. My suspicion is that many people are going to be surprised at how little the roll-based SAs really activate. You could probably compile a pool of tackles attempted vs. tackles broken over half a season or so and get a rough estimate of your break tackle percentage, but there's a lot more that goes into it (defender's strength/tackling, etc).


Interesting thought--thanks for sharing that.

Bort already said strength break tackles agility is mainly used to avoid tackles, except for spin. he says it in this forum, im too lazy to find it.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=1748685

Originally posted by OMGWTF
My HB was originally a textbook powerback, then he was a "downhill runner," and now he's something different entirely. That said, I think bruiser's going to pan out as a waste of VPs. My suspicion is that many people are going to be surprised at how little the roll-based SAs really activate. You could probably compile a pool of tackles attempted vs. tackles broken over half a season or so and get a rough estimate of your break tackle percentage, but there's a lot more that goes into it (defender's strength/tackling, etc).

well, in defense of our SAs, the only one that is roll based is power through. Lower shoulder is a constant bonus, and power through has a constant bonus in it. so will bruiser multiply the total % of broken tackles a rb has? no, because the activated bonus in power through which breaks alot of tackles won't be multiplied, but you'll get more broken normal tackles.

i think adding 15 into workout for 15% strength could be just as effective as bruiser.

Originally posted by rmiller517


i think adding 15 into workout for 15% strength could be just as effective as bruiser.


Yeah, if I had to choose today, I'd spend the bulk (maybe ALL) of my VAs on the ones that add to an ATTRIBUTE rather than a specific situation.

I went with bruiser and the one that keeps you from fumbling. I put 5 in bruiser and 2 in fumble control or what ever it is called. I think the rest will be all in strength. Unless as a team we try the 4th quarter thing.