User Pass
Home Sign Up Contact Log In
Forum > Position Talk > D Line Club > My DT gets ZERO Pass Rush - Advice?
Page:
 
Chidi29
offline
Link
 
This really has me baffled.

I think I've built a great pass rushing DT, but he hasn't been able to get any pressure on the QB over his career.

Zero hurries and zero sacks this past season; couldn't even do anything against gutted teams.

Granted, he hasn't gotten a ton of PT, but in order for me to feel comfortable in starting him, I need to see that he has some ability to get pressure.

Is there something I'm missing when building a pure pass-rushing DT?

His build is open:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=671286

All help is appreciated. Thanks.

EDIT: With the start of the new season, I have to close up his build. Thanks again for everyone's help.
Last edited Dec 28, 2008 13:23:42
 
phat_lyk_dat
offline
Link
 
more stamina, and agility into the 90's is all i can really say. build looks pretty solid, except for some wasted points in speed. im not sure what the problem is, other than maybe his very low stamina hinders his attributes too much to contribute.
 
TempurFlarin
offline
Link
 
First of all, are you using evasive pass rush? I would guess that you are using bull rush to get no pressure even on the gutted teams.

The only real build suggestions that I can come up with are to train jumping/stamina for a bit. Some people also swear by getting blocking to 25 - 30.
 
merk
offline
Link
 
Your build looks very solid to me. Do you play special teams? As Tempur asks, which pass rushing setting are you using?

I do have 2 more thoughts. The first is that your giving up a lot of strength to their O-linemen. At game end, what is your energy level? Second, It looks like your outleveled in 2/3rds of your games...I'd still expect you to be producing more, but that might be a small part of it.
 
Chidi29
offline
Link
 
Originally posted by phat_lyk_dat
more stamina, and agility into the 90's is all i can really say. build looks pretty solid, except for some wasted points in speed. im not sure what the problem is, other than maybe his very low stamina hinders his attributes too much to contribute.


My thinking was that if I went that extra mile on things like speed and agility than what most offensive lineman put in, I'll have a much greater chance of getting past them.

I'll train stamina. Thanks.
 
Chidi29
offline
Link
 
Originally posted by TempurFlarin
First of all, are you using evasive pass rush? I would guess that you are using bull rush to get no pressure even on the gutted teams.

The only real build suggestions that I can come up with are to train jumping/stamina for a bit. Some people also swear by getting blocking to 25 - 30.


I've tried combo and bull rush.

I'm assuming I should give elusive a try.

I've thought about the possibility of training blocking, but haven't found enough evidence that ir works to do so.
 
Rage Kinard
offline
Link
 
1. Your vision is too low. You are failing the vision check. That needs to be at 45+ ASAP.
2. Stamina should be at least 30 and probably 32-33
3. Jumping should be trained up
4. You aren't going to overpower any OG within 5 levels of you and probably not 10. Elusive pass rush is a must.
 
Chidi29
offline
Link
 
Originally posted by merk
Your build looks very solid to me. Do you play special teams? As Tempur asks, which pass rushing setting are you using?

I do have 2 more thoughts. The first is that your giving up a lot of strength to their O-linemen. At game end, what is your energy level? Second, It looks like your outleveled in 2/3rds of your games...I'd still expect you to be producing more, but that might be a small part of it.


Yes, he plays special teams. Only thing he's decent at right now.

I could stand to use a little more strength, but I've seen guys around my strength be able to put up big hurry/sack numbers. And I'd hate to start adding more to strength and lose some of my pass rushing approach.

His energy varies, but it's usually low. Could be anywhere from 55 to 14. I know 25 stamina isn't that great; I've been focusing on building up my main attributes that I've totally neglected it (stamina, that is) since very early in my career.

I know he's a bit outleveld in some games, but I thought he could overcome that with his build. At the very least, he'd do well against gutted/rebuilding teams.
Last edited Dec 26, 2008 20:06:08
 
Rage Kinard
offline
Link
 
Originally posted by Chidi29


Yes, he plays special teams. Only thing he's decent at right now.



Special teams drains A LOT of energy. If you are playing ST, stamina needs to be even higher. I would actually ask to be taken off ST and you should see your regular PT and performance increase.

 
Chidi29
offline
Link
 
Originally posted by Rage Kinard
Originally posted by Chidi29



Yes, he plays special teams. Only thing he's decent at right now.



Special teams drains A LOT of energy. If you are playing ST, stamina needs to be even higher. I would actually ask to be taken off ST and you should see your regular PT and performance increase.



Thanks for the advice.

I own the team so getting taken off isn't going to be an issue.
 
Madlister
offline
Link
 
Yeah, ST time is killing you.

Bull rush is killing you.

Plus, he's backing up both DT and NT.

You're not going to get many opportunities for pass rushes when in at NT due to the double teams.

 
Underdawg08
offline
Link
 
Originally posted by Chidi29
This really has me baffled.

I think I've built a great pass rushing DT, but he hasn't been able to get any pressure on the QB over his career.

Zero hurries and zero sacks this past season; couldn't even do anything against gutted teams.

Granted, he hasn't gotten a ton of PT, but in order for me to feel comfortable in starting him, I need to see that he has some ability to get pressure.

Is there something I'm missing when building a pure pass-rushing DT?

His build is open:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=671286

All help is appreciated. Thanks.


Your right defensive end sucks. can't attract blockers to absorb some of yours. That's the only thing I can think of. My d.t. build get a lot of pressure and hurries. but he has far less speed. About to bring it to 60 when he boosts 3 times. Other than that I see no reason why you shouldn't be getting pressure.
Last edited Dec 26, 2008 03:42:12
 
Meatdawg
offline
Link
 
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=684233

I am in the same boat as you, but I know what my guys problem is..

It is most defiently the vision check, however I was able to get some hurries and sacks..
 
merk
offline
Link
 
Originally posted by Chidi29
Originally posted by merk

Your build looks very solid to me. Do you play special teams? As Tempur asks, which pass rushing setting are you using?

I do have 2 more thoughts. The first is that your giving up a lot of strength to their O-linemen. At game end, what is your energy level? Second, It looks like your outleveled in 2/3rds of your games...I'd still expect you to be producing more, but that might be a small part of it.


Yes, he plays special teams. Only thing he's decent at right now.

I could stand to use a little more strength, but I've seen guys around my strength be able to put up big hurry/sack numbers. And I'd hate to start adding more to strength and lose some of my pass rushing approach.

His energy varies, but it's usually low. Could be anywhere from 55 to 14. I know 25 stamina isn't that great; I've been focusing on building up my main attributes that I've totally neglected it since very early in my career.

I know he's a bit outleveld in some games, but I thought he could overcome that with his build. At the very least, he'd do well against gutted/rebuilding teams.


Your build is very solid in my opinion...whatever that is worth. Try this for a couple scrimmage games: 1) taking him off special teams...they are killing your energy 2) playing him only at DT, and 3) pass rushing on evasive....I'd expect that you'd see better production.
 
phat_lyk_dat
offline
Link
 
tbh, ive never seen a difference depending on my DT's vision. hes got about 30 now, and i dont really know what i'd gain by softcapping it. by it might be your problem, idk...
 
Page:
 


You are not logged in. Please log in if you want to post a reply.