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Based on this post, maybe there is someone else out there with the fire to help me on these things

Originally posted by Rate

Dec 16, 2008 19:35:41

Randy: What can we do to help?

Do you think a topic of some sort in Suggestions or the GLB main forum could convince them if we got a ton of people from this league to sign it? What about a team owner's petition?

We need to make some noise somehow. There's really a bunch of good teams in AAA now that could make this one hell of a competitive league.

So, what do we do? We need a reorganization at least in EE Pro and probably the AAAs that arent based on some stupid ass algorithm that doesnt work. We have probably less than a week to make enough noise to get noticed.

Everyone knows where I stand with all of this stuff, Id like to see teams who just werent competitive with any good teams demoted down to AAA at least, its more fun for everyone, those teams dont get beat on all season and then lose their players because their players are tired of losing and also they cant afford good players because they dont have fan support to sell tickets/concessions to keep good players.

If I was on a team and had to log in to a beating every 2 days .. I wouldnt want to play GLB anymore at all and if I did still want to play GLB, I wouldnt want to play on that team .. so the league being competitive is what is best for our region and ALL of our teams.

We cant stop gutting, it happens, but we can work to have a fun and attractive to play in pro league .. that then has a "trick down" effect to our lower leagues. People want to play in USA AAA and even AA more than most leagues because they really want to work their way up to USA Pro ... it seems that WE Pro has also established a solid AAA level because there are a lot of competitive teams in WE Pro, but no juggernauts.

I figure part of the Problem in EE Pro is that I have been here since Day 1 beating up on Zeta and people just got sick of that .. but honestly 80% of the problems come from teams gutting in Alpha .. we have never had a Zeta champ gut, we have only once had a Zeta team that played in the conference CCG gut.

I like EE Region .. I think there are some good characters over here .. we have the 3rd spot in the "leagues" thing, but somehow we dont have enough energetic owners and enough league appeal to bring more talent in, we need to work on that and getting our way with a full reorganization outside of the "algorithm" will both draw attention to our region and get the Pro and AAA levels more competitive, which can only help us all

I like the idea in principle, but not sure what the specfics are. How will we organize ourselves if there is no power for the leagues to do that, and support is the only way to even ask for help.

Fight the powers that be!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PaoLy7PHwk

Well first we need to be organized, if we dont have well written demands logically stated and an idiotproof (Adminproof) plan of implementation then it wont happen.

Last season I didnt take their hands and tell them WHO needed to be replaced with WHO, that was a mistake.

This season we have to hold their hands, but first we need to make the case for removing non-competitive teams who are being selfish and damaging our league.

So .. what I need is the following data for the following teams

Season 5 record
Season 6 record
Season 5 record against playoff teams (Both conferences)
Season 6 record against playoff teams (Both conferences)
Season 5 Points for and points against vs all (per game)
Season 6 Points for and points against vs all (per game)
Season 5 Points for and points against vs playoff teams (per game)
Season 5 Points for and points against vs playoff teams (per game)

I think that will be sufficient, because the records against playoff teams and the MOV against playoff teams should be enough, since the teams are really bad.

Furthermore, we need to find the exact threads were certain teams said they were gutting in the case that they arent already CPU teams, because we need teams to be Repo'd before the algorithm runs if they refuse to let us reorganize, that would be a minimal win.

Well lets try to track the gutjob madness that is EE Pro

Alpha loses
Rome
Demon Brigade
USSR
Lowell
Vilnius
St. Pete

And could stand to lose
GCP
Kazan (yes I know its lined up if you can)
Washington
Minsk

Thats 10 of 16 teams .. wow that sucks

Zeta loses
Croatian
Silesia
Demoniak
EEORG

And could stand to lose
Greek
GLB Gods
Cincinnati

Dont bother to get data for the bottom teams .. except in the case of Demon Brigade, which psychonaut is also being selfish and not just selling it so it can be repopd with good CPUs and better managed. That way we can get the team Repo'd and sent all the way down to A level instead of it getting hung up in AAA.

Okay that would be a big start, I could use help in getting that data please, we only have a few days to do it.

Oh and then second, we need a list of AAA/AA/A teams who arent default promoting who should come up, dont fit the list to the number, just tell me which teams need to come up and what conference they are in, I can take a 2 min look at a team and tell you if they are going to get slaughtered or not.

Right now we need

10 Alpha
7 Zeta

But again, just a list of all the teams that "could" make it up here, then we populate AAAs with the teams that are more of a "maybe" instead of a "sure".

Also I dont give a damn about teams that want to pwn newbs, if I dont get them the algorithm will .. so people are going to get dragged up whether or not they like it because they want to get their EE A/AA league pwning newbs trophy.

In the EEPL/WEPL league challenege forum, I posted a list of teams I thought would be potentially moving up next season. According to the tie breakers set up by Bort in the announcements, the ranking of which teams move up to EE Pro is (top 8 interchangeable):

Kosice Predators AAA#1-alpha
Warsaw Warriors AAA#1-alpha
Stewart Ballers AAA#1-zeta
Achaean Hellhounds AAA#1-zeta
Minsk Berzerkers AAA#2-alpha
Tallinn Kings AAA#2-alpha
The Look AAA#2-zeta
Berlin Rebels AAA#2-zeta

then:
Buda Pests AAA#1-zeta
Krakow Mountain Lions AAA#1-alpha
Nizhny Novgorod Mongols AAA#2-alpha

That is 11 teams right there, based on playoff wins, playoff games, regular season wins, and total points scored.

Okay good first step, now please tell me conferences

Edit the previous post with conferences

kazan is willing to be bounced instead of swapped if that is what you have to do to get this fixed...we need to move down no matter how we get there...

Originally posted by Randy03Texags
Well first we need to be organized, if we dont have well written demands logically stated and an idiotproof (Adminproof) plan of implementation then it wont happen.

Last season I didnt take their hands and tell them WHO needed to be replaced with WHO, that was a mistake.

This season we have to hold their hands, but first we need to make the case for removing non-competitive teams who are being selfish and damaging our league.

So .. what I need is the following data for the following teams

Season 5 record
Season 6 record
Season 5 record against playoff teams (Both conferences)
Season 6 record against playoff teams (Both conferences)
Season 5 Points for and points against vs all (per game)
Season 6 Points for and points against vs all (per game)
Season 5 Points for and points against vs playoff teams (per game)
Season 5 Points for and points against vs playoff teams (per game)

I think that will be sufficient, because the records against playoff teams and the MOV against playoff teams should be enough, since the teams are really bad.

Furthermore, we need to find the exact threads were certain teams said they were gutting in the case that they arent already CPU teams, because we need teams to be Repo'd before the algorithm runs if they refuse to let us reorganize, that would be a minimal win.

Well lets try to track the gutjob madness that is EE Pro

Alpha loses
Rome
Demon Brigade
USSR
Lowell
Vilnius
St. Pete

And could stand to lose
GCP
Kazan (yes I know its lined up if you can)
Washington
Minsk

Thats 10 of 16 teams .. wow that sucks

Zeta loses
Croatian
Silesia
Demoniak
EEORG

And could stand to lose
Greek
GLB Gods
Cincinnati

Dont bother to get data for the bottom teams .. except in the case of Demon Brigade, which psychonaut is also being selfish and not just selling it so it can be repopd with good CPUs and better managed. That way we can get the team Repo'd and sent all the way down to A level instead of it getting hung up in AAA.

Okay that would be a big start, I could use help in getting that data please, we only have a few days to do it.


You know Randy a simple pm to each active owner would have gone a long way. It's no secret my team needs help however though, I have been working on our problems and for you to chose that you want us out of Pro seems to me at least a little disconcerning.

SO you can kiss that fattest part of my ass you know-it-all prick.

We could MAYBE stand to keep GLB or Greek. They should definitely be last resorts to replace as there are more important teams.

We could stand to lose Cincinnati? Great thinking Randy. Who the hell made you the commissioner of the EE Pro League? You could at least talk to teams before you start making stupid predictions on what do with the league. Kiss my ass.

maybe teams gut and sell just to get away from you Randy. I remember back in season 1 and 2 there were maybe 2 or 3 people that would even listen to your bullshit now it seems you have a handful of puppets to play with. Why don't you take your team to USA Pro to help ""Fix"" the league.

That seems to be one of the main problems right there. All the good teams just stagnate at the Pro level until they eventually quit because there is no where for them to go.

You guys lost your last 9 games...


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For the record, and so I don't have to kiss even the skinniest part of Kenyon's fat ass, I am just looking to get all the CPU teams, and those who want to leave, out of EE Pro. If that happens, there are a ton of good teams in AAA who are willing to jump in.

If you are a team who is struggling, but still working, having fun, and wants to stay at this level, then that is fine imo, for what that is worth. Teams in the pros at the present deserve to be here as long as you stay out of the last 2 spots, and your team WANTS to be here.

Originally posted by Rezlov
You guys lost your last 9 games...


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so??? your point being?? at least we're trying everyday. I see teams come in here and bitch about how they haven't had to set their tactics all season, etc etc etc. Well what the hell does that tell you??? It's not that we need to get rid of all the so called ""bad"" teams.

We need to get rid of the two or three elite teams and that will even out the league a lot more than getting rid of half the damn league.