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Everyone seems to be under the notion that taking your catching past the soft cap doesn't actually increase your ability to catch passes, it just increases the radius of passes your WR attempts to catch. I myself had said this to people many a time, but now I'm wondering where did this "fact" actually come from and how do we know it to be true?

Is there any actual evidence for this?

Since an increased catching radius supposedly increases the amount of passes a WR attempts to catch, it therefore supposedly also increases his drops. But EVERY WR I've seen in GLB with high catching has very few drops. So I'm starting to think that maybe logically catching just increases your ability to catch all passes.

Bort has said that QBs take WRs catching into account when choosing which WR to throw to, as they view higher catching as less risk. So I've been thinking that 2nd capped catching might be very good a speed WR as they're more likely to get open and with the higher catching he'll get more "looks" from the QB.

Well, to me it'd make sense if catching was directly proportional to chance of catching. If it's on target, the higher your catcher, the more likely you catch it. Probably a formula used where your catching is a variable that affects the chance % of making the catch.

Yeah I agree. I think there's too much speculation when it comes to player building that results in misinformation...and that probably has to do with the fact that there has never been any official strategy guide to explain what attributes do. I like to assume that an attribute helps exactly what its title implies, thus "catching" should help your receiver catch the ball when it is thrown to him. And naturally the higher his catching the better chance the QB will throw his way.

It's weird but when I was looking at drops and looking at every build I could find catching didn't seem to pay off until the skill was over 51.

From 30-50 or so it seemed to increase drops which led to the theory that it increased the catching range.

I have found that increased catching decreases drops, but then again I have also been taking catching SAs with my +70 catching. I definitely caught more balls on one of my WRs by swapping speed gear for catching. Uptown has 21 agility and speed, but 70+ catching, here is what he did in his scrimmage today (experimental WR for testing catching don't flame me about his poor averages, all I want him to do is catch in tight coverage):

Blanketed by 33 CB on 24 WR
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=276470&pbp_id=11450945

Blanketed by 32 CB:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=276470&pbp_id=11454755

Blanketed by 25 CB, deflected catch:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=276470&pbp_id=11452468

25 CB closing on WR before catch:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=276470&pbp_id=11454281

Personally, I never agreed with this notion when it was presented a couple months ago, and still don't.

The people who came up with it immediately said, "omg this is right, anyone who disagrees is stupid and obviously misses what everyone else gets."

Viscount, whomever you've been listening to is full of crap. I do believe much of the increase in drops from catching is a result of a few things.

AT LOW LEVELS
A moderate increase in catching over other WRs will greatly increase your targets, but your catching is not really that good which increases your drops.

Hence the myth was born that catching increases drops.

I think it can increase your drops, but also increase you catches. I've always viewed it as kinda a bulls eye. The more catching you have, the larger the bulls eye.

Pack, do you think the drop radius holds up at higher levels of catching or just until you reach the first soft cap?

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Originally posted by PackMan97
Viscount, whomever you've been listening to is full of crap. I do believe much of the increase in drops from catching is a result of a few things.

AT LOW LEVELS
A moderate increase in catching over other WRs will greatly increase your targets, but your catching is not really that good which increases your drops.

Hence the myth was born that catching increases drops.

I think it can increase your drops, but also increase you catches. I've always viewed it as kinda a bulls eye. The more catching you have, the larger the bulls eye.

Hmm good anal-ogy. what makes a quarterback better at throwing in the center of said bullseye? would it be throwing? vision? combination of both. Does str factor in how acurate a pass is?

Originally posted by Mob-6
Pack, do you think the drop radius holds up at higher levels of catching or just until you reach the first soft cap?

I'm guessing the QB's just get better leaving fewer balls that aren't as easy to catch. Not to mention players pump stamina and confidence making them less likely to be serial droppers, or work on things like Sticky hands which make them less likely to drop it on third down, etc.

Lots of things go into it...I just think early in a WR's career the rate of WR development and QB develop all happen to make it look like catching increases drops.

Well, with my receiver catching seemed to increase drops until I brought his vision up as well as jumping. At that point they dropped off dramatically; he had 4 with 88 catches this season.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=33454&playoffs=0

Originally posted by TheGreatPuma
Well, with my receiver catching seemed to increase drops until I brought his vision up as well as jumping. At that point they dropped off dramatically; he had 4 with 88 catches this season.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=33454&playoffs=0

increased vision is the only thing i've found to stop drops.
I started my WR experimentally and soft capped catching first then moved on to spd/agi.

He dropped the ball like crazy untill i got his vision to 35....1 dropped pass in the past 5 games (17 before raising vision).

I found the same effect with my TE 2 seasons ago and didn't drop 1 pass this season.

Originally posted by buehler91

increased vision is the only thing i've found to stop drops.
I started my WR experimentally and soft capped catching first then moved on to spd/agi.

Try raising vision without catching and see what happens. I doubt you'll be happy with the results.

I have the fortunate advantage of having my own team and my own level 7 QB and WR. I've played two scrimmages recently against decent competition and in both games I tweaked the settings so that my WR would get thrown to every time. In both games this happened, all but 4 throws in each went to my WR (3 to an HB, 1 to another WR in each game incidentally): 23 throws in game one, 26 in game two(not including deflections/incompletes, of which there were quite a few because of low QB level as well).
In game one I had my equipment in speed, putting my level 7 WR's speed at 55.98, agility at 48.98, catching at 17.98. Out of 23 throws, 9 were caught, 14 were dropped. I had him set on mostly medium routes so he averaged 11.7 yards and 1.2 YAC, 105 total yards and no touchdowns. He's still young.
In game two I changed my equipment over to catching, putting my final stats at: speed-51.98, agility-48.98, and catching-21.98. You may call it a coincidence, or say that the CB that was covering me wasn't as good and therefor didn't pressure my WR as much; I can attribute a lot of his yard gains to this, but in drops alone he improved drastically between the two games, ending up catching 17 of the 26, dropping 9, yards jumped to 285 (like I said, slightly worse CB), 16.8 average, and 8.3 YAC. He made 5 touchdowns that game as a result of breaking away, making catches after deflections, which slowed the defender and gave him enough time to break away for a straight run in.

With a change of only +4 to catching, my WR went from 39% catches to 65%.