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BobbyBlackk
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Season after season w/ all the changes going on, we've all witnessed the site move into a more advanced direction. Building your players isn't 1,2,3 anymore, and this time of DIRE NEED w/ CB's, what do you feel makes for a "Great Corner Back"? It's a HUGE question esp. w/ agents slow building and reg. build CB's to fill gaps. This is my FAVORITE argument by far...


Personally I've experimented and became quite successful w/ CB Theory in all levels, including 32+. I'm not going to go into the HUGE discussion I've gone through w/ numerous teams and agents. But this is what I've compiled;

Major Attributes:

- Agility
- Vision
- Stamina
- Jumping
- Speed
- Confidence
- Tackling

* Not in exact order

As anyone who's played the game of football knows, Cornerbacks are a secondary coverage player, meaning they play from the Line of Scrimmage-14yds past line of scrimmage. So personally I feel dumping a majority of your SP's into speed is pointless. Yes it's good when a receiver breaks into the open field, catching up to them, but if we can prevent them from picking up the YAC we won't need a majority speed. I've tooled w/ the theory alot, and actually numerous players have followed my advice and not only turned around their coverage performance, but did it basically overnight rearranging equip. What makes for a great secondary player? Agility; The ability to move left to right w/ ease following route and moving quickly, plus vision to spot the play and pick up the read on the ball.

x = # in Attribute

Agility between 5-10+ the number in your speed. Agi = 5-10+xSpd (Example: 50 Spd; 55-60 Agi) The speed will be the rate you move once you accelerate to full level. So w/ the intricacy of the play routes now; Slants, Corners, Slots, etc... We want to move w/ ease in those routes w/o being faked out of our cleats. Now add a nice number in the vision, we'll be able to pick up a BEAUTIFUL read on the ball and A.) knock it down, or B.) pick it off. Get what I'm saying?

Case & Point; I feel Agility & Vision should be ANY Cornerbacks #1 Priority, followed by Spd, Stamina, Tackling & Jumping. In that order. Tackling & Jumping can be swapped to the discretion of the agent.

If I confused anyone or anyone would like further detail I don't mind breaking it down more. What are your views on a "Great Cornerback"?
Last edited Dec 13, 2008 13:36:48
 
Korwin
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is this cornerback only playing a cover 2 zone?
 
pottsman
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Ideally, agility and vision would cover for lower speed. But currently, zones suck and speed is how most WRs are built. If your speed is in the 60s, you can't cover someone in the 90s on a streak.

I'd like to build my guy that way, but it just doesn't seem viable currently.
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scrockstar
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Both my level 28 and 26 CBs have 80 + Agility. I am a big believer in Agility especially as a PR / KR.
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Rod Smart
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Vision.
You can make up for lack of speed, agility, jumping, etc with vision, but you can't make up for a lackof vision. Also, vision gets you off of the guy your covering and towards the ballcarrier quickly.
 
BobbyBlackk
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I get where everyone is coming from w/ the cover situation, but do we all understand the Free Safety is the man who's to play the field beyond 14yds past the LOS (Line of Scrimmage)? They're suppose to be the fastest people on your team, hence: "Safety". The defenses "Safety Net". Either your CB1 or CB3 depending on formations and such so only follow the three-man out, 1 CB should always be coverage. But regardless; Playing a man w/ Spd outrageously high, that speed is only affective in post routes where there's no change in directions. If he's all speed and no agility, he's going to be sloppy in route...this where your agile CB will outmatch him/her. Every time you break in route you lose your spd and have to rebuild it, the agility is what eases that process along, see what I'm saying? If you get the chance, find a player or two w/ higher levels of agility vs. their speed and you'll see you from the LOS-14yd-line they'll stick w/ the WR, after they break into the backfield forget about it, but here's where the FS/SS is suppose to take over and be the "Safety Net" protecting the pass. The CB's getting beat are those "all speed" CB's you get lost in route. It's those agile defensive-backs who are all over the place in the secondary either breaking up plays, or stopping them short... I'm sure you've noticed it. Ideally, yes you can't cover the streak patterns, but wise matchups and we can all pin point who's more prone to running the streaks. Match spd w/ spd and that's covered. We all know the Sim, he won't run that streak all day though I've seen the agility theory work effectively in many zones; Cover 4 Buzz (4-3 Over) to the simplistic Cover 2 (4-3), and I've seen TONS of effective plays in man coverage from 3 Man Under (Nickle) to Dime Man (Dime).

And vision; YES! If you can spot that play early, forget about it...you make up for all the spd lost.
 
FBGBullDozier
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Originally posted by scrockstar
Both my level 28 and 26 CBs have 80 + Agility. I am a big believer in Agility especially as a PR / KR.


I mean no disrespect, but your CBs Tackle to PD ratio does not convince me. Now, if your guys are just returners and play on kick teams, then its different, but their stats don't look like shut down CBs to me.
 
scrockstar
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Originally posted by FBGBullDozier
Originally posted by scrockstar

Both my level 28 and 26 CBs have 80 + Agility. I am a big believer in Agility especially as a PR / KR.


I mean no disrespect, but your CBs Tackle to PD ratio does not convince me. Now, if your guys are just returners and play on kick teams, then its different, but their stats don't look like shut down CBs to me.


Slow build, both have Vision of 20-ish (training vision right now) and I tend to finish each game with 10-14 energy (due to low stamina and special teams). Despite the fact that my level 28 CB (just boosted yesterday) has been going up against WRs 4-10 levels higher than me I have only given up 1 play of more than 25 yards all season. I am also the DC so I use my CB to run blitz a fair amount. But you are right, they are not shutdown CBs yet. I am just saying that they have held up very well against WRs of much higher levels. Once I soft cap vision, get jumping higher, and invest in SAs I predict they will do very well against WRs of the same level.

Here is an example of his speed against one of the best RBs in our league (51 TDs, 11 yards per carry):
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=251114&pbp_id=4001931
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BobbyBlackk
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Originally posted by scrockstar

Here is an example of his speed against one of the best RBs in our league (51 TDs, 11 yards per carry):
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=251114&pbp_id=4001931


That's a VERY good example of Agility at work. Thank you for posting that.

 
scrockstar
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I will also add that his Agility was only 70 then. I now have his agility at 82 and fully expect to see results from this next season.
 
BobbyBlackk
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yeah; Agility is that extra "umph" I believe every CB should look into.
 
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Originally posted by BobbyBlackk
this where your agile CB will outmatch him/her.


Lol I'm a big fan of agility, but I couldn't help but laugh at that

 
BobbyBlackk
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yes; This IS a bi-gender community. I know a hand full of girls on this site already...and have girl players, haha...don't wanna offend anyone, and have an inbox of PMs calling me "sexist".
 
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Feminist.
 
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HAHA!I love the ladies...haha...
 


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