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My goal right now is softcapping agility, but what should I do after that?
My goal right now is softcapping agility, but what should I do after that?
hiimjake
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Don't listen to these clowns, softcap agility before you do anything else. Then work on your speed. And stop spending points on SAs for awhile.
Last edited Dec 11, 2008 20:28:21
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Originally posted by hiimjake
Don't listen to these clowns, softcap agility before you do anything else. Then work on your speed. And stop spending points on SAs for awhile.
Clowns? He's claiming to be a speedster. A speedster without any speed is pretty worthless IMO. I third capped speed, third capped agility, and went back to 4th cap speed while working on softcapping catching... and I still kinda wish I had gone a little more speed heavy. You'll be pretty mediocre for a little while, but it'll help a lot once you start to reach higher levels.
Don't listen to these clowns, softcap agility before you do anything else. Then work on your speed. And stop spending points on SAs for awhile.
Clowns? He's claiming to be a speedster. A speedster without any speed is pretty worthless IMO. I third capped speed, third capped agility, and went back to 4th cap speed while working on softcapping catching... and I still kinda wish I had gone a little more speed heavy. You'll be pretty mediocre for a little while, but it'll help a lot once you start to reach higher levels.
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Soft cap speed, then soft cap agility, then you can go up to the 4 to 1 cap for speed. Going to the 4 to 1 cap in speed before soft capping agility is foolish and unnecessary.
WRs need so many support attributes to be successful and by pushing speed too far at first will slow development of your player since he will be too top heavy and it will take you multiple seasons just to fix him. Once you get to level 25 or so, CB's will be fast enough, have more agility, jumping, and vision and they will win most checks against your receiver leading to drops, deflections and incomplete passes.
WRs need so many support attributes to be successful and by pushing speed too far at first will slow development of your player since he will be too top heavy and it will take you multiple seasons just to fix him. Once you get to level 25 or so, CB's will be fast enough, have more agility, jumping, and vision and they will win most checks against your receiver leading to drops, deflections and incomplete passes.
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If you want the base for an average player, softcap agility next. If you want the base for an unstoppable player, get your speed up as far as you plan to take it. If you want a 100 speed guy, get his speed to 76 ASAP. MY speedster has been fairly dominate in going all speed w/ just training agility, I speak from personal experience of having this build versus the conjecture of the other people here.
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Originally posted by TimTebow
So cap speed again next, before I cap agility?
yes...
If you are building a speedster the first thing you should do is take speed all the way up to the point where you do not plan on using any more SPs in speed...this allows your leveling attribute gains to eventually push speed into the 5-1, 6-1 and higher levels. It is the most efficient use of SPs and gains the most free SPs from your level gains. You will have plenty of time to round out your build...just stay away from SAs for awhile.
Basic Speed Receiver blueprint:
Speed to minimum 3-1 cap (68) level 11 (all equip in speed also)
Agilty to 3-1 cap (~level 23)
Catching to cap (~level 26)
Vision to cap (~level 30)
Jumping to cap (~level 33)
At level 32 (beginning of 4th season) you have a well rounded dominant speed receiver with ~102 speed (w/eq), ~70 agility, catching/vision/jumping all around 48-50...at this point confidence/carrying/strength are all still a bit low but advanced training pairs those nicely and by the end of the 4th they are coming in line. Season 5 you are a man among boys...
Anyone who tells you to cap speed, then cap agility, then cap catching, then go back and 2nd cap speed, etc...has no idea what they are doing...yes their player will play better during the build process but they are wasting their leveling gains...and by level 32 the early speed focused WR will look very similar except he will also have around an 8 or so speed advantage. My focus is to build players that will be great in their prime...not concerned about the first couple of seasons of stats.
So cap speed again next, before I cap agility?
yes...
If you are building a speedster the first thing you should do is take speed all the way up to the point where you do not plan on using any more SPs in speed...this allows your leveling attribute gains to eventually push speed into the 5-1, 6-1 and higher levels. It is the most efficient use of SPs and gains the most free SPs from your level gains. You will have plenty of time to round out your build...just stay away from SAs for awhile.
Basic Speed Receiver blueprint:
Speed to minimum 3-1 cap (68) level 11 (all equip in speed also)
Agilty to 3-1 cap (~level 23)
Catching to cap (~level 26)
Vision to cap (~level 30)
Jumping to cap (~level 33)
At level 32 (beginning of 4th season) you have a well rounded dominant speed receiver with ~102 speed (w/eq), ~70 agility, catching/vision/jumping all around 48-50...at this point confidence/carrying/strength are all still a bit low but advanced training pairs those nicely and by the end of the 4th they are coming in line. Season 5 you are a man among boys...
Anyone who tells you to cap speed, then cap agility, then cap catching, then go back and 2nd cap speed, etc...has no idea what they are doing...yes their player will play better during the build process but they are wasting their leveling gains...and by level 32 the early speed focused WR will look very similar except he will also have around an 8 or so speed advantage. My focus is to build players that will be great in their prime...not concerned about the first couple of seasons of stats.
Mob-6
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Originally posted by ChicagoTRS
[ My focus is to build players that will be great in their prime...not concerned about the first couple of seasons of stats.
Exactly.
[ My focus is to build players that will be great in their prime...not concerned about the first couple of seasons of stats.
Exactly.
Mightyhalo
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Originally posted by Mob-6
If you want the base for an average player, softcap agility next. If you want the base for an unstoppable player, get your speed up as far as you plan to take it. If you want a 100 speed guy, get his speed to 76 ASAP. MY speedster has been fairly dominate in going all speed w/ just training agility, I speak from personal experience of having this build versus the conjecture of the other people here.
Your player has a serious drop issue, so please remove head from behind before offering advice. Your guy has 2 catches for every drop. That is well below average and borders on piss poor.
My WR is probably as fast as your guy but much better built and catches 4 times more balls with less drops and he is considered a "well built" speedster. He is also the best receiver in his league for 2 seasons at the same level as your drop WR and gets no gimmies playing on a .500 team, while your guy has a slew of stat pad games. o_O
If you want the base for an average player, softcap agility next. If you want the base for an unstoppable player, get your speed up as far as you plan to take it. If you want a 100 speed guy, get his speed to 76 ASAP. MY speedster has been fairly dominate in going all speed w/ just training agility, I speak from personal experience of having this build versus the conjecture of the other people here.
Your player has a serious drop issue, so please remove head from behind before offering advice. Your guy has 2 catches for every drop. That is well below average and borders on piss poor.
My WR is probably as fast as your guy but much better built and catches 4 times more balls with less drops and he is considered a "well built" speedster. He is also the best receiver in his league for 2 seasons at the same level as your drop WR and gets no gimmies playing on a .500 team, while your guy has a slew of stat pad games. o_O
Last edited Dec 12, 2008 09:38:43
ChicagoTRS
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his WR is level 26 = incomplete/still slow building...
lets start comparing receivers when both are level 36...
lets start comparing receivers when both are level 36...
Mightyhalo
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Originally posted by ChicagoTRS
his WR is level 26 = incomplete/still slow building...
lets start comparing receivers when both are level 36...
He still won't be any better. The math just doesn't support it.
It takes more than speed to have an elite receiver. I might have been too harsh but this new trend to reach the 4 to 1 cap in speed before soft capping agility is foolish.
his WR is level 26 = incomplete/still slow building...
lets start comparing receivers when both are level 36...
He still won't be any better. The math just doesn't support it.
It takes more than speed to have an elite receiver. I might have been too harsh but this new trend to reach the 4 to 1 cap in speed before soft capping agility is foolish.
ChicagoTRS
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Just depends on your definition of better...and that is exactly what this is all about...math...if you do not think the math supports it you should go back to math class.
If you are eventually going to spend SP to take speed to the 4-1 cap it is far better to do it immediately before doing anything else. It allows your level gains to take you well over that cap thus they are worth more SP. There is no doubt it takes a bit longer to have a complete/effective WR but when he catches up (season 4 or 5)...he will be similar in all of the minor attributes but have a nice advantage in speed and agility.
If you are eventually going to spend SP to take speed to the 4-1 cap it is far better to do it immediately before doing anything else. It allows your level gains to take you well over that cap thus they are worth more SP. There is no doubt it takes a bit longer to have a complete/effective WR but when he catches up (season 4 or 5)...he will be similar in all of the minor attributes but have a nice advantage in speed and agility.
Mightyhalo
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Originally posted by ChicagoTRS
Just depends on your definition of better...and that is exactly what this is all about...math...if you do not think the math supports it you should go back to math class.
If you are eventually going to spend SP to take speed to the 4-1 cap it is far better to do it immediately before doing anything else. It allows your level gains to take you well over that cap thus they are worth more SP. There is no doubt it takes a bit longer to have a complete/effective WR but when he catches up (season 4 or 5)...he will be similar in all of the minor attributes but have a nice advantage in speed and agility.
lol he won't even be close to someone who capped agility after speed before moving to the 4 to 1 cap. Not even close. Funny you think level 36 will tell the tale, but that is just nonsense. Somebody is steering you guys in the wrong direction but I;m not surprised.
My level 20 WR has reached the 4 to 1 cap in speed and has close to 60 agility. That's what you call a stud WR.
I try my best to give advice, but I am not going to give out all my secrets but I will jump on misinformation when given the chance in threads like this.
Just depends on your definition of better...and that is exactly what this is all about...math...if you do not think the math supports it you should go back to math class.
If you are eventually going to spend SP to take speed to the 4-1 cap it is far better to do it immediately before doing anything else. It allows your level gains to take you well over that cap thus they are worth more SP. There is no doubt it takes a bit longer to have a complete/effective WR but when he catches up (season 4 or 5)...he will be similar in all of the minor attributes but have a nice advantage in speed and agility.
lol he won't even be close to someone who capped agility after speed before moving to the 4 to 1 cap. Not even close. Funny you think level 36 will tell the tale, but that is just nonsense. Somebody is steering you guys in the wrong direction but I;m not surprised.
My level 20 WR has reached the 4 to 1 cap in speed and has close to 60 agility. That's what you call a stud WR.
I try my best to give advice, but I am not going to give out all my secrets but I will jump on misinformation when given the chance in threads like this.
Last edited Dec 12, 2008 10:49:42
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