Whats the word on the street now a days about Break Through? Does it still have no noticeable effects?
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My philosophy is that you need to have sufficient skills to be able to make the occassional breakthrough against good competition before investing points in the SA. It is by no means a bandaid that allows you to do something that you don't really have the attributes to perform in the first place.
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Originally posted by tautology
My philosophy is that you need to have sufficient skills to be able to make the occassional breakthrough against good competition before investing points in the SA. It is by no means a bandaid that allows you to do something that you don't really have the attributes to perform in the first place.
I have a feeling you'll stick with your typical vague comments, but any chance you could reveal what sufficient skills for good use of break are? Since its you, clearly high strength is in there...
My philosophy is that you need to have sufficient skills to be able to make the occassional breakthrough against good competition before investing points in the SA. It is by no means a bandaid that allows you to do something that you don't really have the attributes to perform in the first place.
I have a feeling you'll stick with your typical vague comments, but any chance you could reveal what sufficient skills for good use of break are? Since its you, clearly high strength is in there...
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Originally posted by pottsman
Originally posted by tautology
My philosophy is that you need to have sufficient skills to be able to make the occassional breakthrough against good competition before investing points in the SA. It is by no means a bandaid that allows you to do something that you don't really have the attributes to perform in the first place.
I have a feeling you'll stick with your typical vague comments, but any chance you could reveal what sufficient skills for good use of break are? Since its you, clearly high strength is in there...
well, the best players in the game don't want to reveal too much. They are god's and should be treated as such. don't back talk your superiors. (sarcasm i.m.o.)
Originally posted by tautology
My philosophy is that you need to have sufficient skills to be able to make the occassional breakthrough against good competition before investing points in the SA. It is by no means a bandaid that allows you to do something that you don't really have the attributes to perform in the first place.
I have a feeling you'll stick with your typical vague comments, but any chance you could reveal what sufficient skills for good use of break are? Since its you, clearly high strength is in there...
well, the best players in the game don't want to reveal too much. They are god's and should be treated as such. don't back talk your superiors. (sarcasm i.m.o.)
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Originally posted by pottsman
Originally posted by tautology
My philosophy is that you need to have sufficient skills to be able to make the occassional breakthrough against good competition before investing points in the SA. It is by no means a bandaid that allows you to do something that you don't really have the attributes to perform in the first place.
I have a feeling you'll stick with your typical vague comments, but any chance you could reveal what sufficient skills for good use of break are? Since its you, clearly high strength is in there...
Nothing terribly complicated about a DT, especially an NT. High strength, high agility, enough vision, tackling and "other stuff" (conf, jumping, blocking are of some use) to get the job done. Speed appears to be almost entirely optional for NT..just depends on what you are trying to do. You won't ever get much of a pass rush without speed around 50 ish, but maybe that's not what you are going after.
How much strength? Think of what a good guard or center has...you want to be able to stand up to them (tough to do, I know). How much agility? A lot.
For what it's worth, I have recently experimented (again) with putting my equipment all in agility or all in strength, or somewhere in between. Contrary to what most folks are recommending, my DTs seem to do better with everything stacked in strength. Not sure why...maybe because my speed is lower than most.
This is what I like to see from my front line:
Clogging up the middle, penetrate, break up the play
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=217157&pbp_id=10392518
NT Soaks up the RG, C and FB, SS makes the play
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=217157&pbp_id=10392990
If you are very strong, tackles like this tend to be for very short gains. If you are not as strong, the same exact looking play will often be a 3.5 to 4 yard gain.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=217157&pbp_id=10397849
Just my observations, and a little off topic as I am not sure how much "breakthrough" was used in these particular plays.
Also, I know this ended up a blowout game, but actually it was against a pretty good team who mostly outleveled us or at least matched us in levels. It wasn't until the second half that we really dominated them.
Originally posted by tautology
My philosophy is that you need to have sufficient skills to be able to make the occassional breakthrough against good competition before investing points in the SA. It is by no means a bandaid that allows you to do something that you don't really have the attributes to perform in the first place.
I have a feeling you'll stick with your typical vague comments, but any chance you could reveal what sufficient skills for good use of break are? Since its you, clearly high strength is in there...
Nothing terribly complicated about a DT, especially an NT. High strength, high agility, enough vision, tackling and "other stuff" (conf, jumping, blocking are of some use) to get the job done. Speed appears to be almost entirely optional for NT..just depends on what you are trying to do. You won't ever get much of a pass rush without speed around 50 ish, but maybe that's not what you are going after.
How much strength? Think of what a good guard or center has...you want to be able to stand up to them (tough to do, I know). How much agility? A lot.
For what it's worth, I have recently experimented (again) with putting my equipment all in agility or all in strength, or somewhere in between. Contrary to what most folks are recommending, my DTs seem to do better with everything stacked in strength. Not sure why...maybe because my speed is lower than most.
This is what I like to see from my front line:
Clogging up the middle, penetrate, break up the play
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=217157&pbp_id=10392518
NT Soaks up the RG, C and FB, SS makes the play
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=217157&pbp_id=10392990
If you are very strong, tackles like this tend to be for very short gains. If you are not as strong, the same exact looking play will often be a 3.5 to 4 yard gain.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=217157&pbp_id=10397849
Just my observations, and a little off topic as I am not sure how much "breakthrough" was used in these particular plays.
Also, I know this ended up a blowout game, but actually it was against a pretty good team who mostly outleveled us or at least matched us in levels. It wasn't until the second half that we really dominated them.
Last edited Dec 10, 2008 01:26:48
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Originally posted by UnderDogs
Originally posted by pottsman
Originally posted by tautology
My philosophy is that you need to have sufficient skills to be able to make the occassional breakthrough against good competition before investing points in the SA. It is by no means a bandaid that allows you to do something that you don't really have the attributes to perform in the first place.
I have a feeling you'll stick with your typical vague comments, but any chance you could reveal what sufficient skills for good use of break are? Since its you, clearly high strength is in there...
well, the best players in the game don't want to reveal too much. They are god's and should be treated as such. don't back talk your superiors. (sarcasm i.m.o.)
I know when I have spoken with some of the best players in the game, they have been cordial and often helpful...perhaps it's your approach?
Originally posted by pottsman
Originally posted by tautology
My philosophy is that you need to have sufficient skills to be able to make the occassional breakthrough against good competition before investing points in the SA. It is by no means a bandaid that allows you to do something that you don't really have the attributes to perform in the first place.
I have a feeling you'll stick with your typical vague comments, but any chance you could reveal what sufficient skills for good use of break are? Since its you, clearly high strength is in there...
well, the best players in the game don't want to reveal too much. They are god's and should be treated as such. don't back talk your superiors. (sarcasm i.m.o.)
I know when I have spoken with some of the best players in the game, they have been cordial and often helpful...perhaps it's your approach?
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Originally posted by pottsman
Originally posted by tautology
My philosophy is that you need to have sufficient skills to be able to make the occassional breakthrough against good competition before investing points in the SA. It is by no means a bandaid that allows you to do something that you don't really have the attributes to perform in the first place.
I have a feeling you'll stick with your typical vague comments, but any chance you could reveal what sufficient skills for good use of break are? Since its you, clearly high strength is in there...
There are many ways to play this game and to build players...what I do would not necessarily work for every team or be the best build for anyone else. There are a lot of great folks on these forums who give some excellent advice and I learn a lot here. The main role I try to play is to point out some alternatives to the prevailing and dominant paradigms that take hold from season to season. A high agility high speed DE (low strength) is a pretty well known success story at this point, but it is by no means the only path towards a good DE...the same is true at most positions.
I don't like to give specifics in part to keep a little bit of mystery and to make sure that folks explore paths that I have not gone down, but also because I don't necessarily know what specific numbers will do what. I just fumble along in the dark like everyone else, and occasionally end up with some success...or sometimes failure.
I will say this with certainty, as I (and others) have proven it conclusively:
You can have all the strength in the world, simply massive strength, and it won't do a damn thing with low agility and no vision.
For agility, the softcap is low...very low. For vision, you start to see a difference somewhere around 33-37 in my experience, but that may depend on your other contributing attributes.
Originally posted by tautology
My philosophy is that you need to have sufficient skills to be able to make the occassional breakthrough against good competition before investing points in the SA. It is by no means a bandaid that allows you to do something that you don't really have the attributes to perform in the first place.
I have a feeling you'll stick with your typical vague comments, but any chance you could reveal what sufficient skills for good use of break are? Since its you, clearly high strength is in there...
There are many ways to play this game and to build players...what I do would not necessarily work for every team or be the best build for anyone else. There are a lot of great folks on these forums who give some excellent advice and I learn a lot here. The main role I try to play is to point out some alternatives to the prevailing and dominant paradigms that take hold from season to season. A high agility high speed DE (low strength) is a pretty well known success story at this point, but it is by no means the only path towards a good DE...the same is true at most positions.
I don't like to give specifics in part to keep a little bit of mystery and to make sure that folks explore paths that I have not gone down, but also because I don't necessarily know what specific numbers will do what. I just fumble along in the dark like everyone else, and occasionally end up with some success...or sometimes failure.
I will say this with certainty, as I (and others) have proven it conclusively:
You can have all the strength in the world, simply massive strength, and it won't do a damn thing with low agility and no vision.
For agility, the softcap is low...very low. For vision, you start to see a difference somewhere around 33-37 in my experience, but that may depend on your other contributing attributes.
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