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Has anybody tried agility as a primary focus instead of speed with any success?

This is brought up all the time, but to this day I can't think of any possible reason that you would be more effective in any aspect of playing linebacker by having more agility than speed.

lol

yes. it works really nicely in the right scheme.

Originally posted by wallysmith
Originally posted by Blamo

This is brought up all the time, but to this day I can't think of any possible reason that you would be more effective in any aspect of playing linebacker by having more agility than speed.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=1148569&page=last#11639212

Well, that post shows that you're one of those fellows who think that GLB = NFL. Which isn't true at all, and until you stop thinking about it like that... You won't have a proper understanding of the game. Agility and it's effects on acceleration are very, VERY overrated. And since DEs made a living a season ago simply blowing by defensive linemen... I don't see why Linebackers shouldn't do the same now. The pathing fix that has "nerfed" speed DEs was warranted, but with the LB being so much further away from any potential blockers than a DE... it's perfectly reasonable for them to simply run by them, which is often the case. All having high agility would really benefit is taking better cuts on the ball. But, really, you should have enough vision that this isn't a problem in the first place. Furthermore, your ability to simply get to the ball should more than make up for any inability you have to make a cut on the ball. Speed dominates agility in pretty much every facet of the game. Especially if you have good DC. Agility is still probably the second or third most important attribute for a LB, but I still can't believe that people think that anything could replace ANYTHING for speed.


We're in season 7, and only one thing has really remained constant throughout GLB... For almost every position, speed is the dominant stat.

Yes, because I base my GLB builds on the NFL. I figured it would be pretty easy to figure out, but I guess I need to spell it out a bit. I brought up real-life NFL players to illustrate molds of players (deep threat receivers, agile RB's, possession TE/WR's, etc). I have never based any of my LB build posts on the NFL because obviously this isn't the NFL.

Not sure where you got the idea that agility's effect on acceleration is overrated because Bort EXPLICITLY stated that speed's effect on acceleration would be diminished. This was in direct response to when flames54 exposed Colon Grifter's build and showed how speed dominated. Not to mention that Bort EXPLICITLY stated that highly unbalanced stat combos would not be as effective unless they were within a certain threshold of the other. Thus arose the impact of agility on GLB. But shouldn't you already know this?

I don't like making comparisons with my own experience/accomplishments on GLB, but I'm doing this now to provide credibility on my own conclusions. It's clear you're discounting my "proper understanding of the game," but let's list some of the things I've done to provide some perspective:

- First player created was an LB at the beginning of Season 2.
- Team owner for two seasons: 12-4 team in Season 3, 14-2 team in Season 4. Gave up ownership due to time constraints but remained as GM.
- GM for a 16-0 team during Season 5 featuring a defense that DOMINATED, only allowing 82 total points all season. This defense was led by my own MLB with the following statline: 132 tackles (5 missed), 42 hurries, 57 sacks, 26 TFL, 9 PD, 2 Int for 122 yds and 2 TD's, 6 FFum and 1 fumble recovery. Not to mention that this was not a slow built LB (since that didn't exist yet at the time), but one with a build that has been constantly tweaked and adjusted with each season's updates. So it is FAR from an ideal LB at this level, but it is definitely good enough to beat some ass during the season.

You can't be a successful owner/player in this game on luck; it takes a ton of time and research. I live for discussion and experimentation and I would imagine my posts on this forum reflect that; heck, I've even made Rod Long rethink some things about the LB position and he RUNS shit on this forum.

If you want me to debate the specific points in your post about speed vs agility I can do that, but I've got work in about five hours. I can debate the finer points of GLB all day long, but I'm not a fan when people start attacking my credibility directly.

Originally posted by briano32
Has anybody tried agility as a primary focus instead of speed with any success?

yup. well, i've at least tried it, success is for others to judge/bitch about i guess. I've actually tried it for all three of my defensive guys, a SS, CB and LB by doing an equipment switch quite some time ago.

unfortunately my LB is the lowest level on the team so most of his action comes on special teams. but he seems to do well when he plays. ive had the most success with it with my CB though.

And for the record, I believe agility is more important than speed, but speed is still not to be neglected; somewhere in the neighborhood of 3:4 (speed:agility) would be my desired ratio. But seeing LB's out there running around with 85 speed/50 agility (equipment included) is just overkill to me; that's a CB build, not an LB build. Either spread around the equipment or put points into agility to bring it up; preferably the former.

bort said this, bort said that... yet, wrs with 95 speed and 50 agility are still dominant. But yeah, youre right. That agility change was HUGE.

agility is better for linebackers at higher levels. You can be a shitty linebacker with 90 speed all day and play in the lower levels and dominate. But if you want to be good at higher levels you WILL need agility.

Part of the reason why I'm thinking to keep agility higher than speed is DEs. The dominant ones tend to have more agility than speed, so for a linebacker (especially a rush LB), why would you not do similar?

Originally posted by Blamo
bort said this, bort said that... yet, wrs with 95 speed and 50 agility are still dominant. But yeah, youre right. That agility change was HUGE.

Yeah of course they are because they are WR, but I thought this was an LB forum?

Originally posted by wallysmith
Originally posted by Blamo

bort said this, bort said that... yet, wrs with 95 speed and 50 agility are still dominant. But yeah, youre right. That agility change was HUGE.

Yeah of course they are because they are WR, but I thought this was an LB forum?

also, WR specifically have SA that directly mimic/replace the effects of agility...LB do not, and they also play in smaller spaces.

Originally posted by Blamo

We're in season 7, and only one thing has really remained constant throughout GLB... For almost every position, speed is the dominant stat.

You can make a team built around this philosophy, and it can have some success...but as a blanket statement this is patently absurd.