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Nuge20
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The Purpose of this post is to figure out various combinations of SAs paired up with agility and speed. Will an 11 QC and 8 HF half back work with 60 agility?? Who knows? Hopefully we will find out.

If anyone has any experimental builds for Elusive special Abilities post here and I will update this post with stats and open your build so people can see how far up you took the SA...ideally someone could make a HB with 10 or 11 in one of the SAs but at least 6 should do. So far I know of some experimental builds with every SA except for spin which I feel could be te most effective of all the Elusive SAs. If this is successful I may try to make one for power SAs as well.
The Experiments:

Quick Cut: http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=758019
Name: Willie Parker #39
Agent: SteelersFanatic
Open Build

Quick Cut 2:http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=46236
Name: VD N'uffsaid
Agent: Mendenhall TheFuture
Open Build

Head Fake: http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=156751
Name: Harry Glands
Agent: Mendenhall TheFuture
Open Build

First Step: Example Needed

Juke: http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=787541
Name: Mathias Springfield
Agent: boondocksaint
CLOSED BUILD
Juke= 9
Agility= 66
Speed= 59

Spin: http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=864025
Name: Teasting My HB
Agent: Dmac2008
CLOSED BUILD
Spin= 7
Agility= 60
Speed= 41

Other Elusive SA Experiments:

Low Agility with High Quick Cut/First Step: http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=817734
Name: Don't Hate Accelerate
Agent: Viscount
Open Build

Training Speed/Agility with rest of SPs in SAs: http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=964580
Name: Matt Forte
Agent: Dj-Asian
CLOSED BUILD
QC= 2
HF= 2
FS= 2
Juke= 4
Spin= 6
Agility= 18
Speed= 19

Non-SA Experiments:

Elusive Back With Double Capped Vision: http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=845681
Name: Danny Ciccarelli
Agent: cptafw163
Open Build

Low SA Build: http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=595650
Name: Lancelot Link
Agent: Tito716
CLOSED BUILD
Agility= 70
Speed= 74
Vision= 25
Strength= 50
Carrying= 50
Last edited Oct 29, 2008 13:33:52
 
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Suggestions For Future Experimental HBs
1. Head Fake+Juke
2. 100+ Agility
3. Visionless Elusive Back
4. Level 32+ with no SAs Low SA Build
5.
Last edited Oct 29, 2008 13:34:24
 
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My HB is a vision elusive. I am seeing what happens when you cap vision, then speed agility, then second cap vision. Then start with the SAs. It will take sopme time, but I think it will answer LOTS of questions. Like:

Do you need high vision to be a good when using elusive running style? High vision meaning over 50...not 30 like some people think.

Does vision...in huge amounts (second cap) make a difference.


know that no one in GLB has a HB with second capped vision. I am the first one to start that. I have a HB:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=845681

His YPC is pretty low because I was holding onto SP until I had the 30 needed to soft cap speed at one time. So I was running at 18 speed and 50 vision and still averaging 4.1 yards per carry. Now I just feed agility as I level up and train carrying and confidence.

Confidence is another part of this build. I think carrying helps not to fumble. SO it gets training attention, but nothing more...for a while at least.

YOu can add my player to the list

--Dan

YOu can see what i mean by looking at my "Vision is fixed thread"



 
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Originally posted by cptafw163
My HB is a vision elusive. I am seeing what happens when you cap vision, then speed agility, then second cap vision. Then start with the SAs. It will take sopme time, but I think it will answer LOTS of questions. Like:

Do you need high vision to be a good when using elusive running style? High vision meaning over 50...not 30 like some people think.

Does vision...in huge amounts (second cap) make a difference.


know that no one in GLB has a HB with second capped vision. I am the first one to start that. I have a HB:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=845681

His YPC is pretty low because I was holding onto SP until I had the 30 needed to soft cap speed at one time. So I was running at 18 speed and 50 vision and still averaging 4.1 yards per carry. Now I just feed agility as I level up and train carrying and confidence.

Confidence is another part of this build. I think carrying helps not to fumble. SO it gets training attention, but nothing more...for a while at least.

YOu can add my player to the list

--Dan

YOu can see what i mean by looking at my "Vision is fixed thread"





Im very interested to see how he works out
 
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Updated...I know there are Head Fake/ First Step Backs out there
 
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Originally posted by Nuge20

Quick Cut: http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=758019
Name: Willie Parker #39
Agent: SteelersFanatic
Open Build


With just 35 agility Quick Cut HB is pretty useless. Agility is key to acceleration so you're not gonna build up much speed to carry through any cuts.
 
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I've been considering doing a Spin build next sesaon, but may go Quick cut and then Spin so he gets some mobility first.
 
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Originally posted by Viscount
Originally posted by Nuge20


Quick Cut: http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=758019
Name: Willie Parker #39
Agent: SteelersFanatic
Open Build


With just 35 agility Quick Cut HB is pretty useless. Agility is key to acceleration so you're not gonna build up much speed to carry through any cuts.


That's why I'm "testing" this... to see if you had your quick cut really high you don't need as much agility & you will still cut without losing a lot of speed...
 
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Originally posted by SteelersFanatic
Originally posted by Viscount

Originally posted by Nuge20



Quick Cut: http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=758019
Name: Willie Parker #39
Agent: SteelersFanatic
Open Build


With just 35 agility Quick Cut HB is pretty useless. Agility is key to acceleration so you're not gonna build up much speed to carry through any cuts.


That's why I'm "testing" this... to see if you had your quick cut really high you don't need as much agility & you will still cut without losing a lot of speed...


I understand that but what I'm saying is that with low agility your HB accelerates slowly which means you'll never have much speed to cut with, the description even says that it's for players who rely on speed AND agility.

Trust me I already have an HB with 10 in Quick Cut. This I why I'm building an HB with high First Step then high Quick Cut, so he'll use First Step to build up his speed and Quick Cut to carry it through the cuts.
 
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I like this thread, because it will help tell me where to put my SAs on the vision build I am doing. I was thinking that a quick cut.first step build would be the best, but now I am thinking head fake would be better. If having higher vision than the LB will mean "Easier to fake the defender" then I could hit the jackpot.

But no one ever knows what bort is thinking.

DANNY UPDATE:
D League conference final game:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=208609
Had the highest YPC average that game playing on NORMAL intensity

Playoff Stats:
Leads conference in rushing yards, second in League (the guy in first played against this team http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=4052 and ran for 530 yards, since that game he had only rushed for 107 in 2 games).
4th in conference YPC average (the first only had one carry for 13 yards) for playoffs. This is all done playing on normal.

Just sharing the update.

--dan
 
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Make powerbacks i got mine at an open build...
 
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Originally posted by Nuge20
Suggestions For Future Experimental HBs
1. Head Fake+Juke
2. 100+ Agility
3. Visonless elusive back
4. High level(32+) elusive back with 0 points in SA's other than custom equipment.
5.


Last edited Oct 27, 2008 17:44:27
 
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