what would you suggest as the best play to stop it?
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Play a Cover 1 Man.
This won't completely stop it but it will minimize it without giving up the big play.
This won't completely stop it but it will minimize it without giving up the big play.
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Originally posted by goshann
Play a Cover 1 Man.
This won't completely stop it but it will minimize it without giving up the big play.
Good suggestion.
I'd also suggest a heavy LOLB blitz.
Play a Cover 1 Man.
This won't completely stop it but it will minimize it without giving up the big play.
Good suggestion.
I'd also suggest a heavy LOLB blitz.
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Originally posted by goshann
Play a Cover 1 Man.
This won't completely stop it but it will minimize it without giving up the big play.
Good suggestion.
I'd also suggest a heavy LOLB blitz.
I agree. We were up against a team that primarily ran the right off tackle and I had both ILB blitzing. This helped but the team was still getting at min 3-4 yards a pop.
I noticed the LOLB would always drop back and then come forward (even in run settings). Blitzing him should fill the hole.
Dont blitz your SS tho, someone needs to cover the TE that will come out for the pass.
Originally posted by goshann
Play a Cover 1 Man.
This won't completely stop it but it will minimize it without giving up the big play.
Good suggestion.
I'd also suggest a heavy LOLB blitz.
I agree. We were up against a team that primarily ran the right off tackle and I had both ILB blitzing. This helped but the team was still getting at min 3-4 yards a pop.
I noticed the LOLB would always drop back and then come forward (even in run settings). Blitzing him should fill the hole.
Dont blitz your SS tho, someone needs to cover the TE that will come out for the pass.
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Against an evenly matched team with a solid HB and ROT, you can't stop the off tackle run without going into GL defense.
If you have a really strong LDE, you will get a few stops, but generally not enough.
Off Tackle run is the new "Pitch". Everyone figured out how to stop the pitches - even now with the Weak-I play additions, pitches can be contained. So everyone is running the Off-Tackle as their pitch substitute.
If you have a really strong LDE, you will get a few stops, but generally not enough.
Off Tackle run is the new "Pitch". Everyone figured out how to stop the pitches - even now with the Weak-I play additions, pitches can be contained. So everyone is running the Off-Tackle as their pitch substitute.
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Originally posted by Forbin
Against an evenly matched team with a solid HB and ROT, you can't stop the off tackle run without going into GL defense.
I have to disagree. The Strong I is a good play and a lot of people suck at stopping it, but a lot of the better teams out there can limit it's effectiveness to the point where an offense is in trouble if they just keep running that play.
Running goal line against the Strong I is risky. You'll stop it a lot, but every once in a while the HB will clear the line and then he's gone.
Against an evenly matched team with a solid HB and ROT, you can't stop the off tackle run without going into GL defense.
I have to disagree. The Strong I is a good play and a lot of people suck at stopping it, but a lot of the better teams out there can limit it's effectiveness to the point where an offense is in trouble if they just keep running that play.
Running goal line against the Strong I is risky. You'll stop it a lot, but every once in a while the HB will clear the line and then he's gone.
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Originally posted by Havoc
Originally posted by Forbin
Against an evenly matched team with a solid HB and ROT, you can't stop the off tackle run without going into GL defense.
I have to disagree. The Strong I is a good play and a lot of people suck at stopping it, but a lot of the better teams out there can limit it's effectiveness to the point where an offense is in trouble if they just keep running that play.
Running goal line against the Strong I is risky. You'll stop it a lot, but every once in a while the HB will clear the line and then he's gone.
It depends an awful lot on 1 position, though. I know that you can contain the run to mostly 3 yard gains, but your LDE isn't going to shed the block EVERY time against a good blocking ROT.
Sure, you can shift strong, cover 1, but it's not going to be enough on a lot of the plays.
Originally posted by Forbin
Against an evenly matched team with a solid HB and ROT, you can't stop the off tackle run without going into GL defense.
I have to disagree. The Strong I is a good play and a lot of people suck at stopping it, but a lot of the better teams out there can limit it's effectiveness to the point where an offense is in trouble if they just keep running that play.
Running goal line against the Strong I is risky. You'll stop it a lot, but every once in a while the HB will clear the line and then he's gone.
It depends an awful lot on 1 position, though. I know that you can contain the run to mostly 3 yard gains, but your LDE isn't going to shed the block EVERY time against a good blocking ROT.
Sure, you can shift strong, cover 1, but it's not going to be enough on a lot of the plays.
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Originally posted by Forbin
Originally posted by Havoc
Originally posted by Forbin
Against an evenly matched team with a solid HB and ROT, you can't stop the off tackle run without going into GL defense.
I have to disagree. The Strong I is a good play and a lot of people suck at stopping it, but a lot of the better teams out there can limit it's effectiveness to the point where an offense is in trouble if they just keep running that play.
Running goal line against the Strong I is risky. You'll stop it a lot, but every once in a while the HB will clear the line and then he's gone.
It depends an awful lot on 1 position, though. I know that you can contain the run to mostly 3 yard gains, but your LDE isn't going to shed the block EVERY time against a good blocking ROT.
Sure, you can shift strong, cover 1, but it's not going to be enough on a lot of the plays.
Forbin, you just focus too much on the LDE. He's not the only lineman around...
Originally posted by Havoc
Originally posted by Forbin
Against an evenly matched team with a solid HB and ROT, you can't stop the off tackle run without going into GL defense.
I have to disagree. The Strong I is a good play and a lot of people suck at stopping it, but a lot of the better teams out there can limit it's effectiveness to the point where an offense is in trouble if they just keep running that play.
Running goal line against the Strong I is risky. You'll stop it a lot, but every once in a while the HB will clear the line and then he's gone.
It depends an awful lot on 1 position, though. I know that you can contain the run to mostly 3 yard gains, but your LDE isn't going to shed the block EVERY time against a good blocking ROT.
Sure, you can shift strong, cover 1, but it's not going to be enough on a lot of the plays.
Forbin, you just focus too much on the LDE. He's not the only lineman around...
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Originally posted by Forbin
It depends an awful lot on 1 position, though. I know that you can contain the run to mostly 3 yard gains, but your LDE isn't going to shed the block EVERY time against a good blocking ROT.
Sure, you can shift strong, cover 1, but it's not going to be enough on a lot of the plays.
A strong LDE and NT, a strong shift, SS in the box, Mike on Run focus and the proper blitz all help.
I actually worry less about stopping the off tackle than I do about being able to stop that play and also the long routes from the strong pass. That's a bit trickier.
It depends an awful lot on 1 position, though. I know that you can contain the run to mostly 3 yard gains, but your LDE isn't going to shed the block EVERY time against a good blocking ROT.
Sure, you can shift strong, cover 1, but it's not going to be enough on a lot of the plays.
A strong LDE and NT, a strong shift, SS in the box, Mike on Run focus and the proper blitz all help.
I actually worry less about stopping the off tackle than I do about being able to stop that play and also the long routes from the strong pass. That's a bit trickier.
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Originally posted by Havoc
Originally posted by Forbin
It depends an awful lot on 1 position, though. I know that you can contain the run to mostly 3 yard gains, but your LDE isn't going to shed the block EVERY time against a good blocking ROT.
Sure, you can shift strong, cover 1, but it's not going to be enough on a lot of the plays.
A strong LDE and NT, a strong shift, SS in the box, Mike on Run focus and the proper blitz all help.
I actually worry less about stopping the off tackle than I do about being able to stop that play and also the long routes from the strong pass. That's a bit trickier.
Yeah, that's why it's such a good play... You leave yourself a little weak versus the pass by stacking against the run. Not too bad, though.. As long as you have really good DBs.
And RAPB, the NT rarely has any effect on the OT run. Occasionally, the back will cut it inside on a vision check, and that's when the NT makes the difference. A good HB will cut it outside 90% of the time though, effectively taking the NT out of the play. The SS, LOLB and CB2 are the playmakers, aside from the LDE.
Originally posted by Forbin
It depends an awful lot on 1 position, though. I know that you can contain the run to mostly 3 yard gains, but your LDE isn't going to shed the block EVERY time against a good blocking ROT.
Sure, you can shift strong, cover 1, but it's not going to be enough on a lot of the plays.
A strong LDE and NT, a strong shift, SS in the box, Mike on Run focus and the proper blitz all help.
I actually worry less about stopping the off tackle than I do about being able to stop that play and also the long routes from the strong pass. That's a bit trickier.
Yeah, that's why it's such a good play... You leave yourself a little weak versus the pass by stacking against the run. Not too bad, though.. As long as you have really good DBs.
And RAPB, the NT rarely has any effect on the OT run. Occasionally, the back will cut it inside on a vision check, and that's when the NT makes the difference. A good HB will cut it outside 90% of the time though, effectively taking the NT out of the play. The SS, LOLB and CB2 are the playmakers, aside from the LDE.
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Originally posted by Forbin
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And RAPB, the NT rarely has any effect on the OT run. Occasionally, the back will cut it inside on a vision check, and that's when the NT makes the difference. A good HB will cut it outside 90% of the time though, effectively taking the NT out of the play. The SS, LOLB and CB2 are the playmakers, aside from the LDE.
Mr. Winston Amos of the Charleston Tigers likes to disagree - I'm sure.
Check out some of his plays vs. the strong I. It's not always the tackle what makes him so great...
b.t.w.: if you found a way to make the CB2 NOT stop as soon as he recognizes the run, please shoot me a PM
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And RAPB, the NT rarely has any effect on the OT run. Occasionally, the back will cut it inside on a vision check, and that's when the NT makes the difference. A good HB will cut it outside 90% of the time though, effectively taking the NT out of the play. The SS, LOLB and CB2 are the playmakers, aside from the LDE.
Mr. Winston Amos of the Charleston Tigers likes to disagree - I'm sure.
Check out some of his plays vs. the strong I. It's not always the tackle what makes him so great...
b.t.w.: if you found a way to make the CB2 NOT stop as soon as he recognizes the run, please shoot me a PM
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