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IM planning to 2nd cap speed then cap agility. then after that im going to grab 5 run route, 9sticky hands, and how ever many first step i feel like i need.

this whole time ill be training on intense. right now its stamina and jumping. I think i might do that until jumping is about 25. after that im going to train vision and con to around 30.

all of my equipment will be in speed

how does that plan sound?

I would look at working on Jumping/Vis before going into RR/SH. Just my $0.02 worth. You don't have the "Catching" part perfected to really benefit from sticky hands. once you do, you may decide you don't need that much in SH.

how high do you think that jumping/vision should be?

That depends. My WR is higher jumping, lower vision. Some guys see equal success with higher vision, lower jumping. I would say you probably want to have 70-80 points between the two.

would it be unreasonable to train them both to 35 or so?

No, but that would take a long time and by the time you did, you'd likely want more jumping since CB's can and do pump their jumping.

lol, thats what meant, would it take too long. so that just means ill reach my goal about 2 levels later than i had planned. bc once i train my jumping to 30 i can just put 10 sp's in there.

In my opinion, though its not the word of god by any means, there is no need to train confidence or vision. Vision is very much overrated for WRs as it gives absolutely no bonus to route running (there are no option routes at the moment) and I beleive its impact on catching is often overrated. I'd also discourage you from worrying about confidence. My own WR (chad hill) has never trained confidence or vision and he still has a ton of great games after having a drop. Add that to 7 drops on the season, and he doesn't seem to be crippled by low vision/confidence by any mean.

Getting jumping up there isn't a bad idea, though its also nothing 100% necessary, and theres alot of players out there who don't have huge jumping and are very successful. When your a level 34 and donno what to do perhap consider softcapping it then, but not a big deal in the near future.

I'd also strongly encourage you to 2nd softcap agility at some point. Speed WRs often neglect agility and it nerfs their production, as imo a 82 speed, 50 agility gap is too big.

Your plans sounds good though as a whole buddy. At some point I'd strongly encourage you to train strength/blocking up to 20/20 or so as well so you don't completely blow rocks in the run game.

Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN

I'd also strongly encourage you to 2nd softcap agility at some point. Speed WRs often neglect agility and it nerfs their production, as imo a 82 speed, 50 agility gap is too big.

Your plans sounds good though as a whole buddy. At some point I'd strongly encourage you to train strength/blocking up to 20/20 or so as well so you don't completely blow rocks in the run game.
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i had tossed the strength blocking idea around in my head and it got relegated to be done later agility will eventually be 2nd capped also. I was wanting my WR to be consistent but a big play threat also. All of which seems like it can be achieved with the first SA's on the tree.

Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
In my opinion, though its not the word of god by any means, there is no need to train confidence or vision. Vision is very much overrated for WRs as it gives absolutely no bonus to route running (there are no option routes at the moment) and I beleive its impact on catching is often overrated. I'd also discourage you from worrying about confidence. My own WR (chad hill) has never trained confidence or vision and he still has a ton of great games after having a drop. Add that to 7 drops on the season, and he doesn't seem to be crippled by low vision/confidence by any mean.

Getting jumping up there isn't a bad idea, though its also nothing 100% necessary, and theres alot of players out there who don't have huge jumping and are very successful. When your a level 34 and donno what to do perhap consider softcapping it then, but not a big deal in the near future.

I'd also strongly encourage you to 2nd softcap agility at some point. Speed WRs often neglect agility and it nerfs their production, as imo a 82 speed, 50 agility gap is too big.

Your plans sounds good though as a whole buddy. At some point I'd strongly encourage you to train strength/blocking up to 20/20 or so as well so you don't completely blow rocks in the run game.

I added 6 points to vision and my WR's production shot up about four times... instantly. Check my gamelog from week 8 and on for Damon Metcalf. I went from averaging 18 yards per game to averaging 90 yards per game. While my catch % went from 55% to over 70% and my RAC average increased by about 6.

Well worth 6 SP IMO.

A agree totally with everything else.

Glad to hear the input jonas. It you don't mind me asking, what was the change in vision from (22-28, 33-39, ect)?

I have seen a crapload of WRs who work their vision up to the softcap without ever seeing such a rash change in production, so I'm still somewhat skeptical of vision=awsomeness. Perhaps there is a fair amount of vision boost that helps alot, before deminishing returns set in?

I am guessing that the awnser is no, but just to be clear, you didn't change depth chart positions or anything of the sort right buddy?

I look forward to your reply.

Originally posted by wontgodown
Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN


I'd also strongly encourage you to 2nd softcap agility at some point. Speed WRs often neglect agility and it nerfs their production, as imo a 82 speed, 50 agility gap is too big.

Your plans sounds good though as a whole buddy. At some point I'd strongly encourage you to train strength/blocking up to 20/20 or so as well so you don't completely blow rocks in the run game.
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i had tossed the strength blocking idea around in my head and it got relegated to be done later agility will eventually be 2nd capped also. I was wanting my WR to be consistent but a big play threat also. All of which seems like it can be achieved with the first SA's on the tree.



I hear ya, and I'm not suggesting you train strength/blocking right now. Rather I'm just saying that perhaps it should be worried about before things like confidence my friend.

Sticky hands and route run both seem like very nice SA's, and as long as you 2nd-softcap agility by level 32 or so I'm sure you'll be fine. I'm simply a big fan of agility because of the following:

Season 3, like many successful WRs I was highly speed-based. Season 4 bort made agility more important for acceleration and I literally spent every boost/level up SP that season bringing my agility up from around 41, to 60+ base. Alot of speed WRs from season 3 cried wolf on the nerf and faded into inconsistancy, but due to the upped agility my WR has been able to maintain a pretty good level of consistancy is all.

thanks for the advice man. i am painfully aware that right now i have two much speed for my agility but my WR is a work in progress.

i also like that these forums are pretty busy compared to my usual ones (the fb forum is slow)

Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
Glad to hear the input jonas. It you don't mind me asking, what was the change in vision from (22-28, 33-39, ect)?

29.33 to 35.58 At lvl 25.


Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
I have seen a crapload of WRs who work their vision up to the softcap without ever seeing such a rash change in production, so I'm still somewhat skeptical of vision=awsomeness. Perhaps there is a fair amount of vision boost that helps alot, before deminishing returns set in?

It's not that vision = Awesome. I don't want to advocate THAT. Without the speed to break away and the agility to make the cuts it wouldn't help much. It's just that when it was under 30 it didn't do ANYTHING. AT ALL! It wasn't till I bumped it up that I finally saw vision DOING something (got a kick return TD as well!) on the 'field'. As if it had suddenly 'activated'. Many who pump vision do so at the expense of other attributes. Building players is obviously a balancing act (a tough one when you botch an early build as badly as I did with this player, my other WR is coming along much better) and 13 SP from where I'm at to the soft cap is a LOONG ways away. I could 2nd cap agility with that (which I will). I need more stamina too. Other things are more important to me. No more vision unless my guy starts catching a very low % again. I don't want to sound like "OMFG VISSUN = GAWD!"

I'm not some GLB smart guy or anything. I'm not a season 1 vet. I just wanted to share my experience since I know you're a vision skeptic (for WR's that is). So am I! I was desperate so I did something I wouldn't have normally done since I had all but decided to retire him at season's end. He had 125 freaking yards from the slot through 7 games on a GOOD offense. I have, however, changed my mind about that since.

Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
I am guessing that the awnser is no, but just to be clear, you didn't change depth chart positions or anything of the sort right buddy?

I look forward to your reply.

I won't soft cap it... until maybe level 35 or higher. Even then... who knows? Maybe not. I'll see where I am.

Nah, I'm still #3 and have been all year. Still waiting for that promotion since I'm leading the team in receiving yardage. Metcalf has gotten attempts all year (by wee 7 he was 2nd in attempts and I think 5th or 6th in yards.) I don't credit the vision soley with the increase in production, but I can't write it off as coincidence either.

As it pertains to the OP (so I'm not dragging this off-topic too much) I'd say vision is worth training so you don't have to spend tons of SP to get it to 'activate', but my WR's are nothing special so take it with a grain of salt. WiSeIVIaN's advice has proof in the pudding of his WR. Not a lot of really productive WR's try and share their stuff. People like their secrets.

Confidence is... I dunno. It's a flipping mystery.

i dont care about dragging this off topic, as long as i can get some usefull info and yall (jonas and vivian) seem to be giving pretty good advice/discussion. i also agree with con being a mystery. it seems like i start every game dropping my first pass, but i still do ok. and i only have like 15 con.

also, can people agree that vision seems to work/activate ~35 or so?